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iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

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iteratethis
I'm conflicted.It's absolutely stunning what smartphones can do these days and Apple makes an excellent product. It feels ungrateful and cynical to keep calling new models "boring".The reality though is that normie needs were accomplished several generations ago. I'll use my girlfriend as a sample of such user.She can't tell the difference between LCD and OLED nor would she notice Pro-motion.You can add a million features to the camera app but she opens it and presses the shutter. Her only awareness of features is when she accidentally enables one and doesn't know how to get back.You could set her back 8 iOS versions and she probably wouldn't notice. Because she uses none of the hundreds of features released since. Not because she dislikes them, she doesn't know they even exist.All the spectacular advances in computing power are lost on her as this makes zero difference for the Facebook cat video group and Pinterest.You might assume my girlfriend is perhaps lowly educated or just not tech savvy. Wrong, she's highly educated, even works in IT, although not in an engineering role. It's not that she's unable to understand the advances, she simply doesn't care.It's becoming ever harder to justify new models for normies. Pretty much they buy the new one when the battery of their current one runs bad, typically every 3-4 years.I think this is also why Apple put many Pro features into the regular model. Most people don't buy the pro and they're desperate for selling points in the regular model.If the iPhone would have true user-swappable batteries, their business would collapse.
steelframe
I used to care about my photos a lot. After accumulating a few decades worth of photos I've gotten to the point where I don't care about my photos at all.I used to obsess over megapixel count, portrait mode, FPS, lighting, and so forth, because I used to think that these amazing images would be priceless in the future. Well, the future came and went, and to me they actually ended up being worthless.At one time I cared about other people on the Internet seeing pictures of me and my friends and family doing things and being places. Now I don't want anyone on the Internet seeing pictures like that. I especially don't want bots to scrape the photos to build a dossier on my activities that data brokers can add to my profile that they then turn around and sell to whoever's buying.So these days I don't ever bother even taking photos of anything any more. Instead what I do is try to be 100% "in the moment." I try to notice the small details, feel the emotions, immerse myself in the experience. I look for the things that make an impression. I find that a camera will always -- I mean, always -- detract from that.I suppose that's my way of saying that there hasn't been a camera feature for a phone that I've cared about for many years now. For me the 2017 Pixel 2 was the point where phone camera technology got "good enough" for anything I ever wanted to use it for. Which, these days, is almost nothing.
swyx
i clipped the 5 mins on apple intelligence here for those interested https://x.com/swyx/status/1833231875537850659notes:- photos/album search now includes video understanding, which imo seems very good from the first 2 examples they showed. includes scroll to exact time of the moment you describe.- Mail and Notifications will show summaries instead of str[:x]- Siri now knows iPhone, becomes the ultimate manual on how to use the increasingly complicated iOS 18. and can read your texts (!) to suggest actions with Personal Context Understanding (also it will try to advertise apple tv shows to you... i'm SURE it will be totally objective and aligned to your preferences amirite)- new iphone 16 camera control button is PRIME real estate - notice how OpenAI/ChatGPT is now next to Google search, and both are secondary clicks to Apple's visual search, which comes first- camera adds events to calendar!- "all done on device" and on cloud (though craig doesnt say that haha)overall i think insanely good ideas on ai + phone integrations.
paxys
Smaller notch? Touch ID? Better battery life? Faster charging? Larger default storage? Nope, let's skip all that and spend most of the event talking about video recording.Is anyone here actually excited about the features they just announced? Or are people simply upgrading because they get the latest iPhone every year or two by default?
raydev
For fun, revisit the iPhone 6 announcement thread on HN[1], coincidentally posted 10 years ago today. I love going back to these to see how people responded.The more things change...[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8292029
usaphp
I love how ridiculous the scene to showcase Apple's Intelligence ability to tell you what bread the dog was.Instead of simply asking a women what breed her dog was - he had to open a camera app on his iPhone, ask a women a permission to take a photo of the dog, wait until the AI gives him an answer...
minimaxir
The Pro variant is unusually poorly differentiated from the base model this cycle: https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/The 13 Pro had ProMotion, 14 Pro had Dynamic Island and Always On display, the 15 Pro had USB-C and the Action Button, the 16 Pro...has maybe slightly faster AI? 4k120fps video? USB-C w/ USB 3? Not things most people would care about.ProMotion/Always On is still limited to the Pro models which is enough to justfy the upcharge, but it's a surprise they aren't locking a new feature this time.
jsheard
The non-Pro models are still only 60hz? C'mon man, high refresh rate is hardly a luxury feature anymore. At least give them 90hz and reserve 120hz for the Pro models.
cmcaleer
Phishing email operators rejoice: Apple still are not showing emails in the Mail app, and will even scan your phishing email and rephrase it while recognising and pushing it as a priority notification.I actually like the idea, but I worry a lot that it will lead to non tech-savvy (and tech-savvy-but-hurried) people to getting rekt. It’s still obscene to me that they don’t show the sender’s email before clicking in. It not only removes valuable information to screen emails with, but if there are tracking pixels, they fire since you must open the email for further screening. (Sender email can ofc be spooked, but this catches most spam I get)
numbers
Usually when the Apple event is going on, my iMessages is pretty active with different sets of friends talking about it.The non-techy group of friends only commented on the colors, size of the phone, and how there's nothing interesting to convince them to upgrade from the 13/14/15 models.The nerdy group really got hyped on the Apple Intelligence part, only qualm being that it's not going to be released on day one. They also had screenshots to share of previous chips like the A16 and A17 to compare. The video specs were all followed by positive emojis because almost everyone has kids, pets, or things they like recording. And at the end, some even lamented the fact that the default storage is only 128GB on the smaller Pro model.As someone who's very interested in smartphones, I found it kinda interesting how Apple seems to be sharing more data points on performance and specs instead of "useful features" that most people would notice.
dmix
> Featuring a new 48MP Fusion camera with a faster quad-pixel sensor that enables 4K120 fps video recording in Dolby Vision, these new Pro models achieve the highest resolution and frame-rate combination ever available on iPhoneEvery iPhone generation makes YouTube video quality slightly better as it’s what a lot of people use. That plus social media.Camera quality is quite amazing these days
strongpigeon
I’m probably in the minority, but a thing I’d love to see is a much stronger flashlight. It’s silly, but the flashlight is something I use almost daily and having a more powerful one would be quite useful.
davidy123
I've been an Android user since day 1, but am very impressed by some of these features. I'd love to have the half-click to focus feature and other dedicated camera button features, macro, a few other things that put this generation in a next category. I'd like to see them catch up and surpass all of Google's onboard AI features, and it looks like they're working on it. Being able to find a section of a video by a vague description, all on-device, is incredible. And they're finally improving their photo app. If Apple offered call screening, ambient song identification/logging, and allowed browsers to support extensions, I'd be tempted to switch, especially since they have a clearer privacy story. I'm glad strong competition is continuing, especially around privacy.
vertical91
To be honest, I think that after years of incremental updates apple has maxed out the number of "value" features. I don't see a strong reason why Apple has to come out with new features every year.Expecting ground-breaking new features every year is a bit crazy, unless there is a new breakthrough like solid state batteries. Like what's going to be there next year? Flush side buttons to make the phone thinner? Why not apply all those additions in a single iteration and wait 3-4 years to come up with a next major upgrade? Consumers are not dumb anymore and can see through their marketing gimmicks
KoolKat23
They mention battery life in this release 11 times without saying how long the battery will last. Please Apple, even just a typical usage number would be great.It's been many generations since I've had an Apple device, and each year they release a new one I try figure out how long the battery lasts, to no avail. Nobody I know has bought a Max Pro either.With Apple, you never know, it could still be 10 hours battery life. I mean they just released "ground-breaking" features like moveable icons, something I think Android had since Android 1. My point is one never knows.
napolux
My iPhone 14 Pro would be enough until the new Siri will come out in my language. So probably around iPhone 18.My language was not even mentioned yesterday (italian)
thom
Does the new camera button thingy happen to be a fingerprint scanner as well? I live in a constant state of rage with Face ID, longing for my iPhone 8 Plus with its Home button and the ability to pay for things in one fluid motion.
laweijfmvo
So did they just give up on Blood-Oxygen sensing on the Watch? Thought it might be a good time to update my Watch 6 (black titanium) to a 10, since they brought back the black titanium, but they just have no answer for the blood-oxygen lawsuit?
haunter
Probably gonna upgrade from my iPhone 11 to a 16 Pro, seems like a good time to make the jump (also I'd need a battery replacement anyway and I rather spend that money on the new phone)
jacobn
So a lot of Apple Intelligence is still vaporware then?From [1] "Additional Apple Intelligence features will roll out later this year and in the months following", i.e. later in 2024 and then in 2025, and the not-available-at-launch features appear to be the stronger ones, e.g. ChatGPT integration?Any word on improving the dictate-to-text keyboard feature? I could only find "In the Notes and Phone apps, users can also record, transcribe, and summarize audio", but that's different.[1] https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2024/09/apple-debuts-iphone-1...
bartekpacia
The thing I liked the most about this event was the beautiful places where the presenters were. Outlook on Golden Gate, Coit Tower, Palace of Fine Arts, De Young... loved that!
eigenvalue
I get so much utility from my iPhone that it’s worth many times what it costs to me. So I’ve been on the upgrade program since it came out and get the new model every year. I always look forward to getting the new phone, even though at this point the improvements are incremental. But it’s very much worth it to me just to get better looking videos and photos of my small children. And stuff like better battery life has obvious utility. I’m just on my phone so much of the day and use it for so many different things that having it be a few percent better in a bunch of categories is a no brainer. And it’s often more than just a few percent!
jdlyga
AirPods are still Apple’s best product. Depending on your ear shape, you might find that regular AirPods fall out and AirPods Pro with their silicon tips work better, or that silicon-tipped earbuds like the AirPods Pro don’t fit well and only the regular AirPods stay in place. It’s great that Apple is finally adding ANC to regular AirPods so people have options.
pistolpeteDK
Interesting to see how they're marketing increasingly minor improvements as major breakthroughs. 16 Pro: Better camera, more zoom, dedicated camera button… isn’t that it? WiFi 7, faster ray tracing, USB-C/USB 3? Hard to imagine many people really need that.Have we witnessed peak Apple?Apple Watch: minimal updates. AirPods Max: new color. AirPods: some minor tweaks.
redbell
You know what really caught my attention with the 16 Pro Max? The 6.9-inch display, with a resolution of 1320x2868 pixels [1]! However, I’m a bit skeptical about this choice. A 6.9-inch screen size is quite rare in the smartphone world [2]. Samsung tried something similar back in 2020 with its S20 Ultra (and Note 20 Ultra), only to revert to 6.8 inches with the S21 Ultra the following year—and they haven’t looked back since. Why? I’m not entirely sure, but I’ve heard some say the size was just too big.So, will Apple be the one to make this a new industry standard for flagship devices, like they did with the removal of the 3.5mm headphone jack or excluding the charger from the box? Perhaps, but for now, I remain cautiously skeptical._____________________________1. Apple hasn’t officially listed the display resolution on the iPhone 16 Pro Max’s product page, but thankfully, GSMArena has all the technical details available: https://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_16_pro_max-13123.php.2. AFAIK, aside from Samsung, only two other major brands have experimented with this display size: Motorola, with its Razr 50 Ultra (2024), and Huawei, with the Pocket (2022).
lcnmrn
More buttons? Since I lost my power button on Pixel 5, I'm using it only with gestures: touch the fingerprint sensor to unlock, swipe down on home screen to lock it. I think a slider on the notification area can be used for volume up and down for a true buttonless experience something Steve Jobs would have loved.
nabaraz
I remember people lining up outside apple stores on the pre-order day. What has happened now? Have we seen the peak of smartphones until something new comes along and spur a new super-cycle?
ashconnor
Shocked they are still using 128GB as the starting storage size.
dblitt
Notably, only the pro models support USB 3. The base 16/16 plus are still on USB 2. This hasn't changed from the 15 lineup when they switched to USB-C.
Refusing23
i feel like android phones have become boring toothere's just not much new going on. small improvements here and there..i have a ton of options for my phone, special settings, options to download other apps, to further add new featuresand i will probably never bother. i wanna use my phone as little as possible
cube2222
I was planning to upgrade this year, and probably still will, but honestly, the differences between the base model and pro model this year are fairly limited.ProMotion, Always-on display, a bunch more resistant to fall damage, and a camera that is better, but doesn't look like a lot.I'm a bit worried about the Apple Intelligence features, as they've been very prominent on WWDC, but were fairly toned-down today. Not much of it was shown, and they're delaying their arrival (notification summaries look great though, as a "little thing that matters").
_ph_
May be not an earth-shattering update vs. the 15, but overall a lot of improvements. Probably more so for the plain iPhone 16, as it gets the A18 SOC, the Pro seems to have mainly one CPU core more.As I am on an iPhone 13 Pro Max, still in total absolutely a worthy upgrade for me. I certainly look forward to it. The advantages vs the 15 I can see so far:- updated SOC, somewhat faster, but up to 30% more power-efficient which turns into- larger battery life. Thats something everyone will welcome, I guess.- better camera: 48mp wide angle, 120mm tele lens, 4k 120 Hz.- a bit larger screen, too bad they at least didn't name any other screen enhancements- the shutter button. A ton of functionality built into one single button. Pressure/touch sensitivity, haptical feedback. That should greatly improve its usage as a camera.- all the AI stuff. We need to wait how it delivers, when it arrives (especially, if you are outside the US), but that could get interesting when it delivers.While there wasn't any big surprise or outstanding change, for a year over year update a lot of things and definitely very nice for everyone with an older phone than the 15.
steve_adams_86
I really hope next year they bring back Touch ID and throw it on the action or camera button.I’m using my action button, I like being able to assign it to ProCamera, but it’s not as useful as it could be. I miss Touch ID.I’m not sure why but Face ID fails for me quite often. Maybe 25% of the time. I have to make a real effort to ensure it works. Straighten out my glasses, hold the phone up and look straight into the camera, ensure good lighting, etc.Though sometimes it will randomly work in nearly pitch black conditions. How the hell? I miss Touch ID.
wkirby
Give me a new mini. I’m begging you.
Havoc
>6.3 inches on iPhone 16 Pro and 6.9 inches on iPhone 16 Pro Max — the largest iPhone display ever.People want this? My current 6.7 14promax is already in hindsight too big for single hand operation.Realistically I'm probably skipping 16 anyway. Top end 14 is still adequate for everything I need
zitterbewegung
I don't see much to upgrade to but, if I didn't get a iPhone 15 Pro I would have probably gotten this. The new camera button is interesting and the gestures are nice.Interesting to see all the rumors of a iPhone Slim / Air be nothing and I almost thought that they would do it on the Pro lineup.
alasdair_
The satellite stuff is the reason why I'd buy it. I only need to use it once to be worth the money.
peterweyand38
And I would pay a thousand dollars for this as opposed to finding a used earlier generation model for fifty bucks why? It's hard to tell if this is supposed to be satire or not.
ttepasse
I had a small conspiratorial thought while watching this event:"Apple Intelligence" does not come to Europe and the rest of the world because of the DMA/DSA or other regulations. It doesn’t come, because language support isn’t there.They are only announcing US English support, with some other English dialects in December: https://eu-img-cdn.livecenter.com/lc-images-2021/lcimg-72ed0...And the list of proposed languages coming sometimes in 2025 is rather anaemic: https://eu-img-cdn.livecenter.com/lc-images-2021/lcimg-8aec0...Granted, Silicon Valley companies are mostly rather bad when it comes to other languages (and even more other cultures), but Apple in the last decade tried at least and language support for Siri, dictation and such had in the past much fuller lists of language support. When was the last time they had to pad an extra slide with different variants of English [1]? When did they had to put Spanish, the quasi second language of the US, into next year? And missing from the next year slide are major languages like Arabic, Japanese, German, Italian, Hindi and a lot of more languages Siri already could do, although badly.Maybe the new LLM/ML training for "Apple Intelligence" needs far more data, bigger data sets and that's why?[1] Normally I would have thought of a slide with english dialects as a good thing. Computer language systems should recognize that the English language is different in different countries, that different English-speaking cultures are different and I'd argue even "UK English" is far to wide for that country of dozens of vastly different dialects. And of course the biggest English dialect is missing: "English as a second/nth language" or better "English with an accent".
Lio
I'd just a like a spell checker that I can trigger on the first click instead of on 10th.
baby
I just made the switch to Android last week following the release of the pixel fold 9 pro. I couldn't wait for Apple to release a fold, they took too much time, and every new iPhone just looks like the one from 5 years ago.I haven't had an Android phone in something like 10 years and I really think that Apple is about to start losing its monopoly due to the folding phones. They're the main (only?) reason to move to Android and leave the Apple ecosystem now.The folding phone has now basically replaced my tablet, my phone, and my e-reader. It's just such a huge technological leap to just be able to open it up in the subway or in bed and get access to the massive screen on demand. It's actually much more comfortable to hold and type on this way that I'm writing this comment sitting on my couch with the phone unfolded in my hands.
jron
Can I install my own applications on it yet?
mdtrooper
These kind of news is in this site (hacker news, instead tech products news)...it is a Eternal September: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September
thecryptopapi
"By far the best iPhone yet" "The thinnest display ever" "more scratch resistant" said no Apple CEO ever
mirchiseth
It will be interesting to see how users will use the new dedicated camera touch control. Other phonemakers have tried it in the past (Sony Xperia comes to mind) but capacitative is probably the first. Also how developers will adopt for their apps. It is a small change but definitely differentiating for Apple at least for now.
uladzislau
Absolutely underwhelming announcement, I will hold for the next year
flowerlad
All I want is for Apple to fix speech recognition in iMessage. Not sure if that’s in this release. They demo’d AI text review and rewrite but not LLM speech recognition.I currently use ChatGPT for it’s accurate speech recognition then copy/paste into iMessage.
souvlakee
The more I watch, the sadder I get. It seems they've gone in the wrong direction. They have nothing to offer regular phone users, so they're targeting "creative professionals" with fancy features.
djhworld
I have a 15 Pro Max and I like it, I actually switched from Android last year so I've only been in the iPhone world for a short while.The camera button/gesture thing on this new model seems decent but none of the features really seem that compelling to upgrade, the "visual intelligence" which is supposedly reserved for the 16 models just seems like Google Lens with maybe tighter integration with the OS features.Additonally the 16 doesn't have more RAM which I thought they might have done given the local LLM models, so not really a compelling upgrade.
gibsonf1
I hope all the LLM features can be disabled.
calini
So happy I got a 15 Pro, I couldn't care less about that button.
jadbox
No additional RAM? So 16 Pro is still using only 8gb? I was hoping to be able to run my own LLMs on device, but unless you're using micro sized models, it'll be practically impossible (or too slow for casual use).
sk11001
There’s definitely a feeling that the Pro models are the actual model and the non-Pro is a bit closer to the old C/SE models. It didn’t feel that way a few releases ago.I do love the colors on the regular models though!
gigatexal
I think if I were in the market for a new iPhone the non-pro ones are more than enough for me. I’ve a 14 pro max and I don’t use all of it or its pro features.What’s even crazier is I am tempted by the pixel fold — that looks amazing for content consumption which is what I use my phone for the most.
mfiguiere
Apple Discontinues iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max [1], so iPhone 16 is the only new phone that can be purchased with Apple Intelligence.[1] https://www.macrumors.com/2024/09/09/apple-discontinues-ipho...
UniverseHacker
Disappointed again there is no small version... I can't figure out why anyone wants to carry these massive phones everywhere. To me the major advantage of mobile tech should be it getting smaller and lighter each generation. Especially since nowadays it can wirelessly use whatever big screen happens to already be wherever you are anyways.To me the old iphones with 4" screens were a good start, and I was hoping they'd get smaller and lighter as the tech got better... an iPhone 5 was 3.95oz, now iphones weigh 6-7 ounces.
tmaly
I am not seeing a real benefit to upgrading. I wish I could just swap in a new battery myself once I have gone through enough charging cycles.I just upgraded to an iPhone 15 pro from an iPhone 13 pro a few months ago.Honestly, I felt like the iPhone 13 pro had better battery life.My friend confirmed the same thing between a regular iPhone 14 and iPhone 14 Pro.Not sure if it is software or hardware or both.
ungreased0675
I wish there was a 16 Mini being released as well. I prefer smaller phones.
j_crick
Hopefully they'll also bump up the SE next spring and keep the button on it.
iansinnott
Curious to see if the apple LLM can interact with any messaging apps other than iMessage. Even amongst my American friends i only have a lone contact that I keep in touch with using iMessage.
pama
The battery specs are not in the press release, but you can find them at the very bottom of this page: https://www.apple.com/iphone-16-pro/Up to 33 hours video playback on iPhone 16 Pro Max8Up to 27 hours video playback on iPhone 16 Pro8
numbers
Good updates to the video recording, event was okay...kinda boring. Airpods Max got no updates just color, why even mention them?
STELLANOVA
It's really bad even for Apple. I really expected something more than a button and riding the wave of AI introduced months ago. We can see that technologically (mostly in hardware part) Apple is slowing down and can't innovate at the speed it was before. They still had a chance to add new stuff but for some reason skipped it - Wifi 7, support for JPEG XL, more base memory/RAM... Profit margins are going down and they really struggle to make it high as before. The fact that AI will not be available in most of the markets Apple is getting money from is really concerning and will probably hurt in the long term. The best part of this event is that AI actually pushed Apple to make really significant upgrade on base models.
kube-system
No Apple financing on the unlocked phones?
jFriedensreich
I wonder if i will ever be able to replace my 13 mini.
EcommerceFlow
ATT is offering $1,000 trade in for Iphone 12 - 15, an amazing deal for those with slightly older iphones. Obviously it pays off over 36 months, but I don't see myself switching anytime soon so it works out. I think the others have similar deals too.
sam29681749
The concern I have with all the features and options being added to phones in general is the complexity it adds to using them.
zdw
Finally, they've matched the Zune in excellent color choices.
shadowtree
Well, Gurman was right - the 16 phones will not trigger a big upgrade cycle.17 might, as it would indicate Apple is taking a breath.Or, of course, we'll never get a supercycle again till someone iphones the iPhone.
tehnub
Anyone know why there's a 1 nit minimum brightness that apparently wasn't on the previous models?
kraig911
I wonder when the iphone 21+ comes out what are we going to call these things? And will they still use software services like AI to differentiate? I mean let's be real they could totally offload AI stuff to the cloud and keep it somewhat 'private' I fear apple is using AI as a way to sell hardware when really it's the same thing with a little more RAM.
lofaszvanitt
The faster new 6-core GPU in A18 Pro delivers stunning visuals for next-level gaming, benefitting games like Death Stranding.----Hm, Death Stranding in the official article? :DDDDDDD
uladzislau
This is very underwhelming update, let’s wait for the next year
mixmix
The iPhone SE 2016 remains to be the best smartphone Apple has ever released. This year, my wife made me replace it with a 13 mini, and it feels nothing but a downgrade: too large, too heavy, camera bumps, no headphone jack, no touch ID, atrocious PWM, etc.Sure, I understand people have different needs from mine and appreciate they have a choice, but it saddens me that I don't anymore, and all I want is a modern (read: not discontinued), compact device that can do what a 10-year-old smartphone could do and gets out the way.
fionaellie
It's so stunning the word appears 13 times on this page.
airstrike
Looks pretty cool, but honestly I don't even know what model I own. They all feel the same ever since X
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maxglute
Finally. More buttons. I miss those 5 way toggle switches on old gadgets. The wheels you can flick up, down, hold, and press.
nojvek
After seeing the Diamond article, I kinda want Apple to make a diamond glass indestructible scratch-proof shell.That would be a flex.
callalex
The biggest innovation they could have at this point would be the price, but that will never happen.
kalium-xyz
If its 95% recycled. Where did apple recycle that titanium from?
xhruso00
The iPhone 16 is only USB2? Embarrassing.
smellybigbelly
I wish they’d add a terminal app.
switch007
Still hackable by Cellebrite right?They want you to put even more of your life on your phone but the security is just smoke and mirrors.
wslh
I think the issue with the critical comments on Apple's new releases is that Apple is like Coke, no matter what they do, except for obvious glitches [1], it doesn't significantly impact their success. Apple is incredibly smart in capitalizing on opportunities, like designing and producing their own chips (TSMC's Apple Silicon), privacy advantages, and more. Additionally, there's a 'Hollywood-esque' aspect to the company that adds to its appeal.[1] https://archive.is/uQszo
callalex
No user-replaceable battery even though that’s a consumable/wear item?They even invited “Mother Earth” herself to their last presentation to talk about how much they care about the planet! Were they just lying to our faces then?
pzo
Amazingly boring event - the last few years were boring as well but each year they don't disappoint to reach to the lower bottom.
teekert
"Powered by the faster, more efficient A18 Pro chip and built for Apple Intelligence, iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max are the most advanced iPhone models we’ve ever made," said Greg JoswiakWas hoping for: "We peaked last year, this iPhone is slightly worse in all dimensions compared to last year."Disappointed.
yreg
Do we know what's the RAM in those phones?
zombiwoof
Apple feels like MAGA. Everything is the greatest thinnest fastest ever, with no reality data, and only until next Sept
spike021
I have a 12 Pro and was thinking I'd upgrade. Usually I'd opt for the Pro tier but this cycle I think I'll actually go for the regular 16. There just doesn't seem to be enough there for someone like me. Which is maybe the point? I liked having the better camera system but these days they show all this extra stuff I don't use my phone camera for anyway. I have a Sony a7iii for the fancy stuff.
m3kw9
You get the phone for speed for their killer apps, previously it was stuff like instagram, camera, chat, games, now it’s AI and how it will enhance all apps. The slow roll out isn’t great, but Apple is gonna real bake it in. “Show me all my unread messages from the group chat”
veber-alex
I am disappointed.The 16 Pro is larger and heavier than the 15 pro which is already heavy.I have small hands, I want a smaller and lighter phone.Not going to buy the 16 because of lack of ProMotion.
indianmouse
Really boring. Phones,,, apart from the actual functionality, Apple devices have started to become really really boring...One is addiction (deaddiction mindset is becoming a thing) and the next is the fanboism (understandable and unstandable) which actually creates more aversion than anything!While there is nothing wrong, the price to value justification is a like vampirism and surrounding ecosystem and hardware and specs are fine, but the real value of everything that is present is not realised by everyone.Honestly people, how many of the actual iphone users even look at the photos taken in the phone after a day or two? probably 0.0001% (who may be pros who wants to make a statement and probably help fuel the hype for the company!) or some professionals who are stuck (sucked into) the ecosystem (for whatever non-debatable and (some good) reasons!). For the rest, it's a pride to own something costly! That's it. There you go... I said it.It's like I'm owning a device which most people can't afford and I think I'm super and standout,but in reality, it's such a self obsessed and narcissistic feeling and nothing else!It's their marketing and product placement and business tactics.I just need a compact phone for making calls and don't want a device which I will proudly show in front of my face wherever and whenever possible... That's really annoying.Good that I moved away from Apple ecosystem completely and I'm still alive.Just too much hyped year after year...That's the case with most manufacturers and just not these guys!
souvlakee
It was super boring.
nisten
How much RAM?
0points
> larger display sizesLOL. Glad I grabbed a Mini before they was discontinued.
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evilfred
why is Pro have a massive 6.7" minimum? ugh.
russellbeattie
Only 8 GB of RAM across the phones. Still.This is pretty insane to me. For a $1,000 device to limit itself like that seems crazy. iPads have up to 16 GB, so it's obviously useful. From games to the browser - and especially on-device AI and ML - they all could use way more RAM.Apple's tech decisions are always an enigma.
smcleod
I'm a little disappointed they all only have 8GB of RAM, I would have thought that with the world of AI we're all living in now we'd get at least 12GB for our $1850-$2850.
beretguy
No 4 inch device. I’m disappointed. I’ll have to continue using my 1st gen SE.
gerdesj
Would all Apple employees and 'fluencers here, please hold their hands up.... gosh.
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FuriouslyAdrift
Meh... it's still too heavy, too large, and the camera sticks out too far.
teaearlgraycold
Anyone else disappointed they increased the size again? I feel like my 15 Pro would be better a little smaller as is.
rty32
> “Powered by the faster, more efficient A18 Pro chip and built for Apple Intelligence, iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max are the most advanced iPhone models we’ve ever made,” said Greg Joswiak, Apple’s senior vice president of Worldwide Marketing.Thanks Greg, that's very helpful information.
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tropicalfruit
every year the events get longer, the websites get bigger and more verbose and yet the products change less and less.is there a word for this...marketing inflation in lieu of innovation.apple used to be a tech company supported by marketing. now its a marketing company supported by tech.
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ilrwbwrkhv
Ehh. Lacklustre.
MangoCoffee
It seemed like smartphone has reached its peak
pil0u
Should I replace my iPhone 7 with this one?
siamese_puff
I don’t even click these anymore.
jmmcd
You see a cute dog in the park, and click the special button to find out what breed it is - amazing!But I know what Steve Jobs would have said to this. Just go up and ask the girl what breed her dog is, and get to know her.