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  signal11
  Tahoe is a macOS mis-step on par with Windows 8 or Windows Vista. If you’re from Apple and reading this, my feedback is pretty succinct: “I don’t recommend others upgrade. I wish I didn’t.”Luckily for Apple, Windows 11 is not exactly in a position to attract switchers.Let’s see if Apple can turn things around. iOS 8+ did improve on iOS 7’s worst bits.
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  kristopolous
  I swear, this reign of visual artists as dictators has to stop.I'm sure people noticed this issue internally and brought it up but some thing by some designer was seen as biblically sacred and overruled all reason.I've been at companies were you get severely punished... sometimes fired for subordination for fixing an obviously broken spec by a designer emperor.It's normal to be "I guess 2+2=5 here, whatever" as if the designer went in a tiny room, had a seance with the divine...Yo, newsflash, everyone makes mistakes. Failure is when you force them to stay uncorrected.
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  Lammy
  Compare to Aqua and Platinum where every resizable window/pane had a big square drag target clearly labeled as such with some diagonal lines:https://guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/system/managers/filema...https://guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/system/managers/filema...
• lynndotpy
  This post is very well presented and it highlights how absolutely bizarre the latest update was. The video demonstration was also very well done.I remember a few years ago, people complained when Apple merely made the entire operating system uglier. (Something about a gradient on the battery?) A lot of people would talk hyperbolically ("apple KILLED macos!"), and that's indistinguishable to an outsider when an update like this brings other people out of the woodwork to say, "Hey, these changes are genuinely bizarre and absurd, what happened?"
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  lateforwork
  This behavior is similar to Windows 11. You have to position the mouse just outside the window. It is non-intuitive and awful.These are problems humanity solved over 35 years ago (see NeXTSTEP). Why are these designers breaking basic features that worked for over 35 years?
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  MyFirstSass
  Does anyone know if Stephen Lemay replacing Dye will potentially "save" the increasing mess that is OSX, at least UX wise, or is it more of a meaningless figurehead swap in a big org?Tahoe is tragically bad by almost every UX measure, and following various Apple subreddits i wonder if they just don't care anymore - since the majority of people are shocked by the amateurishness of both bugs and design choices in the latest update - this comes on top of literally every major bug being ignored from the alpha to releasing anyway then continuing to ignore feedback.
• CobrastanJorji
  I love how this information is produced. Succinct, excellent and simple visuals, clear argument, and a solid amount of sarcasm and cynicism to keep us entertained and to provide an air of senior technical person.
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  rajivjain
  My biggest peeve with macOS Tahoe is the App Launcher redesign.It seems like a clear regression in usability. By moving from a high-density, full-screen experience to a constrained, scrolling window, they’ve increased the interaction cost for launching apps via the mouse. It feels like a 'unification tax. Sacrificing desktop utility to align with non-Desktop modalilties. Does anyone see a functional upside here, or is this purely aesthetic consistency?
• areoform
  Apple is at the point where they need a Jobs-ian correction again.Steve Jobs would have had a fit over this product line. As '97 era Jobs put it, "The products suck! There's no sex in them anymore!"My modest proposal for Apple diehards (especially employees) is to feed all the data that exists on Jobs into a multi-modal model so that Apple can hear just how much their shit sucks from Jobs' digital ghost.A good starting point would be the https://stevejobsarchive.com/
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  erickhill
  That egg scramble plate GIF is pure gold.
• titzer
  Tahoe is proof is that UX for desktop has finally jumped the shark.In all my years using computers I have never been so disappointed so profoundly by a 36 gigabyte operating system upgrade.
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  bikelang
  Should we crowdfund some billboards in Cupertino expressing how big a misstep we collectively think Tahoe/iOS 26/Liquid glAss was?
• userbinator
  Rounded corners are ironically symbolic of the dumbing-down that's affected the software industry. Instead of the sharp precision of 90-degree corners, we get vague curves that don't make sense anymore as though the corners have been worn away.
• jamesjyu
  I highly recommend Moves, which makes it possible to resize with a modifier key drag within any part of the window: https://mikkelmalmberg.com/moves
• st3fan
  This 100%Please please please make this better Apple. Or just give us an option for square windows.
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  AndrewSwift
  FWIW: option double click sny corner to make any window full-screen without going into full screen mode.Double click any side or corner to move it to the edge of the screen, and hold down option to make the effect symmetric.
• indymike
  After using Tahoe for a week, I've found I leave it in my bag. Window operations are painful and it feels like a bad try at a tablet os without a stylus or touch screen. Fortunately, my Mac is now the auxiliary laptop and I can do everything I need to do with my linux laptop.
• elcritch
  I'm hoping something like this takes off on FreeBSD: https://github.com/gershwin-desktop/gershwin-desktopI've only owned macbook laptops but have run Linux at work since 2002. The lack of cohesion and non-stop changes in Linux is just as tiring and this MacOS Tahoe stuff. Gnome 3 cared just as little for users. FreeBSD + KDE Plasma is pretty good now, but lacks feeling and design.
• Aaargh20318
  Never noticed this change, but unlike the blogger I never try to grab the window inside the corner. I tend to aim for the edge itself.
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  ubercow13
  Also the resize cursor is completely unreliable, the cursor often doesn't change to the resize one when the mouse is over the correct resize areg. So it's even harder to tell if your cursor is in the right place before clicking. If you click in the wrong place it can have frustrating consequences, like activating another window or even clicking something inside it.
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  jasonvorhe
  Of all the Linux features to copy, they chose this.
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  ickelbawd
  I thought this was going to talk about the struggle of sizing windows to arbitrary widths. I often try to keep slack and my email windows side by side and Mac OS seems to go out of its way these days to frustrate my efforts and maximize the one window or the other.The resize corners grab area is also very frustrating though.
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  internet2000
  That's funny. I perceive resizing windows as easier now, because the cursor change is more dramatic when it gets in the resizing area. Pre-Tahoe, the diagonal one in particular looked almost the same, except with an arrow end in the bottom. Now it splits into two triangles.I still operate off muscle memory, so it's not actually easier or harder, of course.
• DevKoala
  I have been using Rectangle and Spectacle before it. Wanting to resize windows like in this article isn't natural to me anymore.
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  hermitcrab
  All that 'glass' eye candy is a sheer sign that looks is more important to Apple than usability. And I don't even care for how it looks.
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  kenanfyi
  I have been using Moom for a long time for especially two things:- moving windows without holding from any particular position- resizing windows without grabbing a particular cornerLife changing small things.
• VerifiedReports
  Apple's window management has always sucked, with the absurdly crippled resizing being a longstanding embarrassment.Into the 2000s, the only way you could resize a window on the Mac was to drag its lower-right corner. That is it. NO other corner, and no edge. So if the lower-right corner happened to be off-screen because the window was bigger than the screen, you were kind of screwed. You had to fiddle with the maximize & restore gumdrops to trick the OS into resizing the window to make that ONE corner accessible. Then you had to move the corner, then roll all the way up to the title bar and move the window, then roll back down to the corner... until you had the window sized and positioned as you wanted.When Apple grudgingly added proper window-resizing, it made it as obscure as possible. Since Apple remains ignorant of the value of window FRAMES, there is no obvious zone within which the resizing cursor should take effect. There is no visual target for the user. This has always made an important and fundamental part of a windowed GUI a ridiculous pain in the ass on Macs.And as the author here notes, it has gotten even worse. Not only will the window often refuse to resize, but you'll wind up activating whatever app lies behind the window you're trying to resize... hiding the one you were dealing with.
• recursivedoubts
  tribunalsthe cherry on top is the delay between the drag start and the window begining to resize
• mrcwinn
  I started with an Apple Lisa. I’ve never enjoyed Apple products less than I do right now. And there were some rough days in the 90s! I switched from a AW Ultra 3 to a Garmin. Considering an S26 because of the semi-matte screen. The Mac, though, I probably can’t replace, but man Tahoe/Liquid Glass sucks.
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  gatkinso
  Its not a great update and hopefully with Dye out they will make some changes, but personally I don't have this issue.
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  afandian
  Question for people who have installed Tahoe. Of the regions in the article, which bring window focus / key window? Is it area clipped to the round rect? Or is it similarly weird?If there was a background window in that area outside the corner, would it receive the click event?
• phoronixrly
  That's genuine 2000s Linux experience there. Ironic that these days Linux provides a more refined and consistent UX than both MacOS and Windows.
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  le_meer
  Aerospace is the answer :)
• vjvjvjvjghv
  Windows is following the same path. In both it’s getting harder and harder to tell the window boundary and where to drag it resize.
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  mbrumlow
  Idk. I don’t resize windows with the mouse at all. I use the key bindings to move to a tile position or fill screen.I almost always never use a mouse for more than maybe moving a tab to another window.So I am wondering, are people fighting using a Mac in the most effective way simply because of old patterns and habits?
• hrdwdmrbl
  I would highly recommend Magnets to anyone users who prefer shortcuts anyway: https://magnet.crowdcafe.com/
• charleszw
  That omelette does look delicious though.
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• deafpolygon
  I don’t have this issue at all. I have a very generous amount of space to grab the corner with and it changes mouse pointer to the diagonal arrow.Edit: despite all the negative feedback, I’m quite happy with Tahoe and I enjoy the visual changes. I think some of the subtler changes is more intuitive and Spotlight’s improvement is quite nice.
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• droopyEyelids
  I agree it makes using my computer worse, but I'd like to see how far Apple is willing to go here.They won't do perfectly circular windows, that would be crazy— but I think we all know they can go further than this.
• semiinfinitely
  I will never update to tahoe. if it becomes forced I'll switch to linux idgaf
• troupo
  From "Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess" https://morrick.me/archives/9368 from 5 years ago:--- start quote ---The utter user-interface butchery happening to Safari on the Mac is once again the work of people who put iOS first. People who by now think in iOS terms. People who view the venerable Mac OS user interface as an older person whose traits must be experimented upon, plastic surgery after plastic surgery, until this person looks younger. Unfortunately the effect is more like this person ends up looking… weird.These people look at the Mac’s UI and (that’s the impression, at least) don’t really understand it. Its foundations come from a past that almost seems inscrutable to them. Usability cues and features are all wrinkles to them. iOS and iPadOS don’t have these strange wrinkles, they muse. We must hide them. We’ll make this spectacular facelift and we’ll hide them, one by one. Mac OS will look as young (and foolish, cough) as iOS!--- end quote ---At the time it was only Safari that they wanted to "modernize". Now it's the full OS.
• g947o
  Imagine Steve Jobs allowing this to happen.
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  MattDamonSpace
  Darkest before the dawn
• Xiol
  Another thing to add to the list of reasons why I'm not upgrading.
• thenaturalist
  This is so simple.This makes me angry.
• wetpaws
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  lifetimerubyist
  i haven't resized a window with a mouse in almost a decade