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Welcoming Discord users amidst the challenge of Age Verification

Welcoming Discord users amidst the challenge of Age Verification

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  • Bender
    I appreciate their effort but isn't Matrix (the company) based out of the UK and primary hosted instances on AWS in the UK? The UK were the first AFAIK to create such internet laws [0]. I could imagine people running their own instances in places where the age laws are not yet active but that number is shrinking fast. [1]Their solution is for everyone to pay for Matrix with a credit card to verify age. I assume that means there must be a way to force only paid registered accounts to join ones instance? What percentage of the accounts on Discord are paid for with a credit or debit card? Or boosted? I don't keep up with terminology[0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_age_verification_in_the...[1] - https://avpassociation.com/4271-2/
  • cuillevel3
    For everyone not reading the post:> Practically speaking, that means that people and organisations running a Matrix server with open registration must verify the ages of users in countries which require it. Last summer we announced a series of changes to the terms and conditions of the Matrix.org homeserver instance, to ensure UK-based users are handled in alignment with the UK’s Online Safety Act (OSA).At least you can self-host matrix and messages are end to end encrypted, unlike IRC.
  • rixtox
    It’s unfortunate that they claimed “Matrix is a protocol not a service” while they are literally running a home server on the Matrix domain.They should really rebrand their home server to another name, so the Matrix name is unambiguously referring to the protocol.
  • shevy-java
    > Since then Australia, New Zealand and the EU have introduced similar legislationI am not aware that the EU pushed legislation onto us here in central Europe with regards to "Age Verification". I am not saying it has not happened (I simply don't know right now), but this needs a source rather than just a statement. From what I remember, local media in german critisized the UK, so it would be strange to see the same legislation suddenly come into effect here.Also, it seems we did not really win a lot if a private company operates matrix.
  • computersuck
    Doesn't sound that fking welcoming to me
  • rockskon
    I look at discussions on Hacker News for Discord replacements frequently with despair.If it doesn't have enough of the utility, performance, and positive UX, it will never gain enough market share to matter.E2EE encryption doesn't matter if you don't have someone else to communicate over it with!
  • sregister
    Last time I tried matrix (~2022) they still didn't have voice channels--they had voice calls but not a mechanism where people can join/leave a particular voice chat at will. To me this is a must have feature for anyone who has used discord/mumble/ventrilo.
  • dang
    Recent and related. Others?Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46982421 - Feb 2026 (435 comments)Discord faces backlash over age checks after data breach exposed 70k IDs - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46951999 - Feb 2026 (21 comments)Discord Alternatives, Ranked - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46949564 - Feb 2026 (465 comments)Discord will require a face scan or ID for full access next month - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46945663 - Feb 2026 (2018 comments)`
  • anon
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  • Aurornis
    This appeal falls flat when you get to the parts about their homeserver requiring some form of age verification:> From our perspective, the matrix.org homeserver instance has never been a service aimed at children, which our terms of use reflect by making it clear that users need to be at least 18 years old to use the server. However, the various age-verification laws require stricter forms of age verification measures than a self-declaration. Our Safety team and DPO are evaluating options that preserve your privacy while satisfying the age verification requirements in the jurisdictions where we have users.Which is actually more strict than Discord's upcoming policy which allows accounts to operate for free without any verification, with some limitations around adult-oriented servers and content.There has been a lot of FUD about the Discord age verification, so a refresher: The upcoming changes do not actually require you to verify anything to use Discord. It just leaves the account in teen mode by default. This means the account can't join age-restricted channels, can't unblur images marked as sensitive, and incoming message requests from unknown users will go to a second inbox with a warning by default.You can, of course, run your own Matrix server. Having been there before I would suggest reading up on some typical experiences in running one of these servers. Unless you have someone willing to spend a lot of time running the server and playing IT person for people using it, it can be a real headache. They also note that running a server doesn't actually get around any age requirements:> Practically speaking, that means that people and organisations running a Matrix server with open registration must verify the ages of users in countries which require it.
  • b_brief
    As a Discord user myself, I’ve been surprised at how aggressive the recent data collection direction feels, especially given how much of its appeal came from being lightweight and community-centric. This to me seems like a real opportunity for a simpler alternative that preserves core functionality without the additional data surface area.
  • techbrovanguard
    You can’t pay me to use Matrix, it’s irredeemable trash.
  • daft_pink
    I really wish they would just accept digital id’s from apple wallets for age verification without providing any identifying information somehow.It would be nice if we could use these digital wallets as a framework for all these things, annonymously.
  • puppycodes
    I wanted to love matrix and its clients but its just not quite there yet honestly.I'm hopeful the experience will improve in the future.
  • arjie
    What's the canonical way to block users from age-gate jurisdictions to one's website? I wish Cloudflare had a wizard flow for this. I'm not going to age-gate access to my blog (it's a wiki so it has user-generated content) so I'd rather jurisdiction-gate it.Perhaps we should have network traffic report its geographic location so that we can comply easily. Would prefer something in an IP packet so that I can just filter at the firewall. Doesn't even need to be implemented in a sophisticated way at clients. Can just have the urgent flag repurposed to mean "respond only if not geo-locked and unconcerned with regulatory" and then I can drop these directly, and regulated source locations could ensure that packet flags are correctly set at the widest peering location out of the UK and so on.
  • apopapo
    Has anyone managed to run Matrix over I2P or other similar overlay network technologies?
  • ranger_danger
    I cannot even use Discord if I wanted to... every time I try to sign up I get immediately phone-walled and/or banned, and the appeal is always denied with "our automated system is working properly." I have been trying for close to ten(!) years now off and on, with all different combinations of browsers, OSes, ISPs and physical machines. No VPN or proxy either.And even if I was able to register, that "automated system" still randomly bans people whenever it feels like it. Search the r/discordapp subreddit or just google "discord random ban", it's a widespread problem with no solution and I have no idea how so many other people seem to have no issues, yet at the same time you can find lots of people just as frustrated as me.
  • lenerdenator
    My security collective is honestly considering going back to IRC.It's becoming increasingly apparent that if you don't use something truly free and open source and host it yourself, you're just setting yourself up for more of this sort of thing.You can't trust anyone to properly handle the problem of "how the hell do we keep creeps the f*ck away from kids?" with any amount of common sense.
  • anon
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  • josefritzishere
    I'll be closing and uninstalling Discord the first time I get a face scan pop up.
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  • genghisjahn
    There's just something about that headline that doesn't land well.
  • mmonaghan
    I just don't get why anyone is still arguing against age verification tbh. Large social spaces are required by law to do it, whether its discord or matrix or anywhere that allows strangers to interact.
  • xena
    I'll be willing to believe that matrix is a home when they can get their shit together and stop transphobic hate waves for good.