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• fluffypony
  I don't want to gush about this too much, but it's SUCH a big deal. Graphene has languished with hardware support for so long - they basically only had Pixel devices as first-class citizens, which are not bad devices per se, but it's hard when you're spending most of your time doing something without the manufacturer's support.There is a very real possibility that we end up with devices that can play modern mobile games at high frame rates on a secure, privacy-focused mobile OS, which is a huge step towards general adoption of something like this as a daily driver.
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  sandreas
  If anyone from Motorola is reading this: Please add a smaller device to your Portfolio, about max the size of a Pixel 8. I'm not hoping for an audio jack any more but at least small it could be.All in all: Thank you for making this possible.
• goldenarm
  Motorola reps reading this : I almost bought the Motorola Signature, but changed my mind after hearing of all the adware and crapware that you continuously install on your devices.If you want to invest into software, this should be #1 of your list.
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  Zak
  I'm glad to hear that. That means these devices will be a popular target, perhaps the popular target for alternative operating systems both Android-based and non-Android Linux.
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  farkanoid
  Not sure how I feel about this. Motorola seems to be the exclusive provider of encrypted cellular networks and associated devices to the Israeli military [1][2].I'm under the impression that basebands still require a proprietary/binary blob, basically rendering the security features of the underlying Open Source OS useless, since it sits between the user and outside connectivity.How can GrapheneOS ensure that there are no hidden backdoors (ie: Pegasus-like spyware, which was created by ex-IDF soldiers via NSO Group), etc, in the baseband?[1] https://www.whoprofits.org/companies/company/3808[2] https://www.motorolasolutions.com/newsroom/press-releases/mo...
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  mmh0000
  If true. And I put a big if on that.I WILL be buying their flagship model.My go to for Graphene has been used Pixels from eBay. Because I can’t give money to Google in good conscience.
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  wobfan
  The biggest argument for me to buy one of these phones - when they actually arrive - next to running GrapheneOS, will be whether these phones, like all others, are way too big to use with only one hand. Like, I don't have a lot of requirements. Just make it run GrapheneOS and let it be >6 inches. I'll immediately buy it.
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  keerthiko
  Does anyone know where I can read more about which devices will be supported? GrapheneOS website devices FAQ doesn't list any Motorola devices, and the press release doesn't have much either.
• notorandit
  It depends, but it is promising.If devs can have access to all of the hardware and related documentation and source code, then this is to become very good news.PCs became popular and widespread because of that: openness.
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  Elfener
  I would love to see devices with a non-destroyed (corners cut off, random hole for the front camera) screen.
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  rationalist
  You know what would be good for security:Having physical disconnect switches (Bluetooth/Wifi, Modem, Power, Microphone/Speaker), and integrated lens cover like Lenovo laptops (at least for the front camera whereas a case can cover the rear cameras).On a side-note:Triple active SIM would be amazing, but one can dream. I would love to have a phone that has an active AT&T, T-Mobile, and Verizon SIM at the same time.
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  sourcegrift
  Why doesn't someone collaborate with pine64? Chasing after any flavour of android is going to be an exercise in masochism
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  t1234s
  With Motorola being owned by the Chinese company Lenovo can these new devices be used in secure environments? I remember when Lenovo took over making ThinkPads they were banned in some secure environments because of Lenovo links to CCP.
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  Synaesthesia
  I wonder if I'm gonna be able to flash my existing Edge 70.
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  jaypatelani
  I hoped they would have gone with HMD or BlackBerry.
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  yooastan
  A physical keyboard device with GrapheneOS would mog
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  montroser
  So, what is Motorola's incentive here? I love it, but why are they pursuing this? It's an enterprise / government play around auditable privacy and security?
• Jaykob1
  Hello Moto!
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  lordofgibbons
  Given that Google has said they'll be delaying source code release for Android to every X months intervals (iirc), how is GrapheneOS planning to handle security updates? Will they just be Google's binary blobs?
• Imustaskforhelp
  Is this feature gonna be on All phones including Low-end/mid-end (4-8Gb ram) and their flagship phones?It's gonna be huge if that's the case because Pixel's here are expensive, their second hand prices are in "non-global" countries[0] and you have to pay a premium. Also I live in world's largest second-hand phone market and it can have its worries as well.You can't say to anyone who wants privacy, oh just buy a second-hand pixel. It's just not that easy.But if Motorola can launch multiple phones and there are always gonna be some deals one way or another (with cards) and as motorola phones are pretty competitive in price, Finally we can have phones worldwide where privacy isn't charged extra.I have spent some hours looking at online second hand phone stores to find but due to its somewhat rarity, I always feel like being frugal, I am just paying extra for privacy and so I am really happy with decision from motorola using their supply chain of phones and partnering up with Graphene.I was gonna buy a phone for myself, I was thinking a second hand pixel phone but given the things I said earlier at this point, I might as well wait for a few more months to get the moto phone.I just hope that they launch an affordable phone with grapheneos. I really don't care about specs as I have been able to live my life with 7 year old motorola phones too in 2026 for sometime.I will definitely recommend my family Motorola phones in the future and slowly convert everyone to motorola if motorola releases an affordable phone with actual privacy.[0]:https://www.xcitium.com/blog/news/why-is-google-pixel-not-gl...
• smashah
  Whatever this device is is at the top of my list for my next phone.
• LoganDark
  Do we know if there there be Widevine L1 keys that aren't deleted on unlock? (Certain phones restore access to L1 on bootloader relock, as long as AVB passes, including with custom keys.)
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• alexander9866
  Does this have more security, Please let me know share the details
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  yegle
  I think Pixel phones are also unlockable/relockable?
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  jMyles
  Even though there doesn't seem to be huge mainstream consumer demand for this (although I actually question how well consumer demand for privacy and customization can ever be ascertained when the price signals are corrupted by a market where the winning players are essentially chosen by the state, as is arguably the case with both TSMC and Qualcomm), it still feels like the world simply couldn't go on with both iOS and Android become caged, cheapened, fragile shadows of the visions we once had for them (particularly AOSP).
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  m00dy
  I think banking apps especially the ones in UK, won't work on this device.
• ChrisArchitect
  Related:Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOShttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47214645
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  tamimio
  This whole thing feels like a subversion, instead of having graphene independent from devices and widen the attack vector, now the spooks can just focus on the “supported official device” only. That being said, the hardware isn’t open source (cell modem is enough to expose you), some binary blobs for the firmware aren’t open source, motorola is a US company with all what that means, if you are after anonymity or even privacy, I would stay away from it entirely, you will be like a person putting a full mask on while on public, except that mask is scanning your face in real time. You will stand out like a sore thumb, your best strategy is blending in, so the automated systems scanners won’t flag you and thus put you under further monitoring.The timing is super weird too, when all corporations are pushing for digital ID, are actively lobbying to deanonymize the users, cooperating with gov too to have a smooth pipeline for such process, and motorola the known company of having defense contracts, are suddenly caring about open source privacy?! Cmon
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• LelouBil
  Well, I'll surely be buying a Motorola device when GrapheneOS support lands.I've been running on several half-working recent android ports to my Xiaomi Mi 9t for many years now.If I can get a modern phone, modern android, my privacy preserved and a hackable phone (to the extent an unlockable bootloader allows, which isn't a given nowadays, I especially hate how Xiaomi does it), I'm 100% sold.We'll see when it comes out I guess!