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  cauliflower99
  Irish man here - Over the last few years, we've graduated from providing cheap energy to now importing most of our energy. We've seen huge energy price increases as a result. We're seeing more and more cost-of-living protests, the war now means more will suffer with fuel prices and we're still going ahead with closing down energy suppliers (this is a 2025 article but the point still stands).To anyone praising these stupid, politically incentivised initiatives - congratulations to us on making the poor and middle-classes poorer.But it's all good - we're saving the world I guess. The poor folks can sort themselves out.
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  bramhaag
  https://beyondfossilfuels.org/europes-coal-exit/ keeps track of coal phase-out commitments. 24 European countries still use coal generators, and 6 have not even planned to phase them out (Serbia, Moldova, Turkey, Poland, Kosovo, Bosnia).Never used coal power: Albania, Cyprus, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Switzerland, Norway Phased out: 2016: Belgium 2020: Sweden, Austria 2021: Portugal 2024: United Kingdom 2025: Ireland Phase-out planned: 2026: Slovakia, Greece 2027: France 2028: Italy, Denmark 2029: The Netherlands, Hungary, Finland 2030: Spain, North Macedonia 2032: Romania 2033: Slovenia, Czechia, Croatia 2035: Ukraine 2038: Germany 2040: Bulgaria 2041: Montenegro
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  reedf1
  No country will be truly coal-free until they are a net energy exporter and they do not import any goods that use coal-based energy in their supply chain. Europe has de-industrialized which means it has effectively exported its coal burden.
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  CalRobert
  Great to see, hopefully they can end turf burning too. (For those unaware it's basically where you take a wetland habitat that's also an amazing carbon store, cut it in to chunks, dry it out, and burn it for a very dirty heat source)
• arkensaw
  Just last week they were talking about the future of Irelands energy generation, and the pressure between now and 2028 from data centers and EVs. Reopening moneypoint as a backup has been discussed. It's been kept as a oil fired backup station, but given the current surge in oil prices I could see it turning to coal again.I really hope they just turn heavily toward renewables. We have enough offshore wind in Ireland to power most of the world, if we could just build enough turbines and harness it. We could become a net exporter of green power
• kayo_20211030
  There's a declaration that a 915 MW power-plant was removed from the grid, and moved to emergency status only.However, every other number in the piece is mentioned as some multiple of Wh's (GWh typically). That makes it very hard to tell what proportion of capacity was removed from the system as a proportion of the total generating capacity. I think the writer might have served us better with the use of some helpful percentage comparisons.From the SEAI report (2024) (https://www.seai.ie/data-and-insights/seai-statistics/key-pu...)- Electricity demand in Ireland was 32.9 TWh in 2024, up 4.1% on 2023-levels- Commercial services, which includes the ICT sub-sector, accounted for 41.2% of electricity demand.- The residential sector accounted for 25.5% of electricity demand in 2024.- Data centres accounted for 21.2% of all electricity demand in 2024.- Data centres account for 88.2% of the increase observed in Ireland’s electricity demand since 2015.If I've done my math correctly, Moneypoint generates about 8TWh, if operating continuously; which it's probably not. Can we say 6-7 TWh?That is not an insubstantial portion of the total.
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  jorisboris
  I feel we’re framing it in a negative wayOur goal shouldn’t be to be coal free. Our goal should be to be 100% renewable.If we set up our goals in terms of what we don’t want, we end up in the situation we are right now: high energy costs, very dependent on energy imports and a high risk of loosing our industry
• ant6n
  Meanwhile, Germany is killing it’s heat pump mandate, re-introducing gas and offsetting it with single percentage “green” gas greenwashing mandates.
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  moominpapa
  China has 1200 of them, no doubt they will follow Ireland's noble lead
• interludead
  A lot of these plants were built in the 70s-90s and were expected to run 40–50 years. Instead many are shutting early because renewables plus carbon pricing have simply made them uneconomical
• deanc
  There's a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding of the global energy supply presented around me nowadays. I would urge anyone to stop what they're doing and read "Clearing the Air" [1]. It's completely reshaped my understanding of this problem, and I am far more optimistic after reading it.It addresses key questions such as "What about China?" and "Can we stop it?"[1] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/222768021-clearing-the-a...
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  eitau_1
  Damn, and my country consumes 11 million out of 13 million tonnes of coal used for heating houses in the entire EU.
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  landl0rd
  Ireland is a net energy importer who imports electricity from Great Britain. She, in turn, often imports from nations including France, Holland, and Denmark, who use coal power.As such, it's not really the whole story to call Ireland, "coal-free". It's the same as America outsourcing heavy manufacturing or chemicals to China and claiming environmental victory. It's true in a narrow construction of the concept; it does reduce the burden on one's own country. It is false in the sense of one's contribution to the global commons and externalizes those externalities previously more internalized. It is, in other words, a shell game. Ireland's dependence on imported energy continues to rise and the number continues to tick up on the books of other nations and down on hers, with her people paying the "guilt premium" associated with this accounting trick. They're not exactly dirty grids, but the fact remains, Ireland still relies to some extent on coal.Also note that, though she is building OCGTs and fast CCGTs elsewhere, she converted Moneypoint not to gas but to heavy fuel oil. HFO is quite dirty stuff, only a dozen or so per cent cleaner than the coal it replaces per Ireland's own EIS. This is likely influenced by the fact that the plant was specced to burn some of the cleaner thermal coal on the market, largely from Glencore's Cerrejon mine, with pretty low sulfur and ash relative to others. So, the delta from relatively clean coal (excuse the expression) to some of the dirtiest oil; large boilers like that are likely burning No. 5 or 6, aka bunker B or C in marine. Not sure if you've ever seen (or smelled) this stuff but it's the next thing from tar.Ireland could instead have chosen to pull in gas from the North Sea and reduced the emissions of Moneypoint by not twelve but fifty to sixty per cent with modern CCGTs. Even older, more readily-available OCGTs would give thirty to forty per cent. This is ~250mmcf, i.e. probably a 24" spur line. Though this likely necessitates a few hundred km of loop for the ring main to the west, it's less than a year's work with a competent American crew.Instead, she chose a paltry twelve per cent a few years earlier; when the other gas peaker capacity is installed, cooling infra and existing thermal plant talent base while paying to reconstitute all those on the other side of the island.None of this is to say Ireland's work on decarbonizing her grid isn't real, but "coal-free" rather tends to obscure the present state of things; it is generally understood to make a strong, binary truth claim that isn't subject to "mostly" and implies one is no longer dependent on coal. It therefore demands consideration of electricity's fungibility in a grid.
• s_dev
  https://www.smartgriddashboard.com/roi/Here is the dashboard for electricity in Ireland.Ireland is not industrialised in a similar way to other EU countries like Germany or Italy which has lots of heavy manufacturing. Irish industry is mostly composed of US pharmaceuticals and data centres occupying much of the energy demand. There is a bauxite facility in limerick which does come to mind but that sort of thing isn't common in Ireland.
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  speedylight
  They might want to reopen it, oil prices spiked to $120 a few hours ago.
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  Zigurd
  Dirty power generation, and dirty toxic hazardous industry in general, discriminate against the poor and minorities. That carries an enormous social cost that goes uncounted in discussions like the ones on this thread.Nuclear discriminates against capitalism. The cost makes the choice of nuclear irrational. The inability to insure nuclear in the private market makes it a travesty of free markets.
• hrmtst93837
  Germany, meanwhile, having phased out nuclear power, now has to rely heavily on coal.
• moominpapa
  Meanwhile China has 1200 of them - well done Ireland I'm sure they will follow your lead once they get around to it.
• fixxation92
  Definitely a step in the right direction, but believe it or not-- I overheard a customer in Aldi asking for coal only last week! I couldn't believe it, the staff member didn't know where to send them
• turlockmike
  China opens a new coal plant or two every week.
• mentalgear
  Meanwhile the Trumpo US puts "clean" in front of the word coal and that's about it.
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  FpUser
  I think this is very strategically stupid decision (or crime committed by high management). Those should be preserved and be ready for use in case things go south which is not inconceivable judging by what is happening aroundAm am not against "saving planet" etc. Just make sure you still have a way to survive if high tech fails. Same as with let's abolish all cash without thinking what a nightmare it can / will cause one day
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  cbdevidal
  Just in time for an energy crisis :-)
• theodric
  Highest[1] base electricity price in the EU, some of the worst conditions for solar generation, a war in Iran, and now they've closed the coal plant. Great. Guess I'll just go bankrupt.[1] https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...
• brnt
  I understand that American shale gas (the largest fraction of LNG imports to the EU) is by certain measures as polluting as coal. If correct, Europe needs to reconsider if the price (and political) volatility is really worth it.
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  sourcegrift
  In another news China opens n-new coal plants. All this greenwashing is a farce until import from non-green countries are banned
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  nixass
  Germany on the other hands..
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  redfloatplane
  (June 2025)
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• okokwhatever
  Once they see the oil rising this week plans will be shut down till new notice.
• paganel
  Suicidal move, Europe wide.
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  nxm
  Meanwhile China and India are building out coal plants at record pace
• yanhangyhy
  Try produce everything yourself and then call it coal-free