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  jesse_dot_id
  There seem to be a ton of people who don't understand how subscription services work. Every single one of them oversells their capacity. The power users that use the services a lot are subsidized by those who don't use it as much, which tends to be the vast majority of the user base. OpenClaw is an autonomous power user. The growing adoption of this walking attack surface was either going to A) cause the cost of Claude to go up or B) get banned to protect the price of the service for actual users.
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  nl
  I suspect people are misdiagnosing the root cause of why Anthropic is doing this a bit.I don't think this is particularly about the financial impact of people using OpenClaw - they can adjust the amount of tokens in a subscription quite easily.I think the root cause is that Anthropic is capacity constrained so is having to make choices about the customers they want to serve and have chosen people who use Claude Code above other segments.We know Anthropic weren't as aggressive as OpenAI through 2025 in signing huge capacity deals with the hyperscalers and instead signed smaller deals with more neo-clouds, and we know some of the neo-clouds have had trouble delivering capacity as quickly as they promised.We also know Claude Code usage is growing very fast - almost certainly faster since December 2025 than Anthropic predicted 12 months ago when they were doing 12-month capacity planning.We know Anthropic has suffered from brown-outs in Claude availability.Put this all together and a reasonable hypothesis is that Anthropic is choosing which customers to service rather than raising prices.
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  g-mork
  My answer to this is simply rolling back to the pro plan for interactive usage in the coming month, and forcefully cutting myself over to one of the alternative Chinese models to just get over the hump and normalise API pricing at a sensible rate with sensible semantics.Dealing with Claude going into stupid mode 15 times a day, constant HTTP errors, etc. just isn't really worth it for all it does. I can't see myself justifying $200/mo. on any replacement tool either, the output just doesn't warrant it.I think we all jumped on the AI mothership with our eyes closed and it's time to dial some nuance back into things. Most of the time I'm just using Opus as a bulk code autocomplete that really doesn't take much smarts comparatively speaking. But when I do lean on it for actual fiddly bug fixing or ideation, I'm regularly left disappointed and working by hand anyway. I'd prefer to set my expectations (and willingness to pay) a little lower just to get a consistent slightly dumb agent rather than an overpriced one that continually lets me down. I don't think that's a problem fixed by trying to swap in another heavily marketed cure-all like Gemini or Codex, it's solved by adjusting expectations.In terms of pricing, $200 buys an absolute ton of GLM or Minimax, so much that I'd doubt my own usage is going to get anywhere close to $200 going by ccusage output. Minimax generating a single output stream at its max throughput 24/7 only comes to about $90/mo.
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  firloop
  This is slightly different from what OpenCode was banned from doing; they were a separate harness grabbing a user’s Claude Code session and pretending to be Claude Code.OpenClaw was still using Claude Code as the harness (via claude -p)[0]. I understand why Anthropic is doing this (and they’ve made it clear that building products around claude -p is disallowed) but I fear Conductor will be next.[0]: See “Option B: Claude CLI as the message provider” here https://docs.openclaw.ai/providers/anthropic#option-b-claude...
• iagooar
  GPT 5.4 is better anyway for these agentic / assistant use cases, so I do not understand why people get so upset.
• armanj
  People in the comments are, in my opinion, overcomplicating this and making it more philosophical than it needs to be. The reason for their decision is dead simple: there aren’t enough GPUs, so they have to cut access somewhere, and they’re starting with claw.It’s really that straightforward. If tomorrow they decide GPUs are better allocated to enterprise use, they could start removing the $20 plan just as quickly overnight, the same way they did tonight.
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  2001zhaozhao
  There are going to be a lot of tools coming soon that are "agent-agnostic", i.e. can run on CLIs including Claude Code. I am personally experimenting with using a combo of MCP + custom UI layer to provide custom tools with bespoke UX and thus turn Claude Code (or any other CLI agent for that matter) into whatever I want. I wonder how they'll deal with that.For a good existing example developed by a known company, check Cline Kanban: https://cline.bot/kanbanThey don't have the MCP-bundling idea that I'm experimenting with, however.
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  password4321
  GitHub Copilot supports Anthropic models with any client but they have a monthly usage cap after which it is pay-per-prompt.https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46936105 Billing can be bypassed using a combo of subagents with an agent definition> "Even without hacks, Copilot is still a cheap way to use Claude models"20260116 https://github.blog/changelog/2026-01-16-github-copilot-now-...https://github.com/features/copilot/plans $40/month for 1500 requests; $0.04/request after thathttps://docs.github.com/en/copilot/concepts/billing/copilot-... Opus uses 3x requests
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  noritaka88
  This feels less like a pricing issue and more like a structural mismatch.Subscriptions assume “human usage” — bursty, limited, mostly interactive. Agent systems are closer to autonomous infrastructure load running continuously.OpenClaw is a good example of this. Once agents operate freely, they don’t behave like users — they behave like infrastructure.That’s why this kind of restriction isn’t too surprising.Long term, it seems likely this pushes things toward: - API-first usage - or local / open modelsrather than agents sitting on top of subscription-based UIs.
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  dnw
  To give credit where it is due: Boris actually submitted a few PRs this week to OpenClaw to increase prompt cache hits. You can see them here: https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw/pullsq=is%3Apr+author%3...I think the usage patterns of a lot of harnesses are pushing against their planned capacity. I would say they can certainly explain themselves a lot better.
• ramon156
  May I suggest trying Z.ai coding plan? I've had a good experience, and its 1/3rd of the price.When I do use AI, I already have a solid plan of what I need. Sometimes I ask it to look something up. I never do both in one prompt.GLM 5.1 can do both, and its way way cheaper. I also don't hit my limit that fast (Plus I get to use it in OpenCode).
• karlpoppery
  Is any code that auto launches Claude Code considered a "harness"?I'm hoping that they won't bother you unless you specifically max out the subscription limits every time
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  Wowfunhappy
  Claude is a UNIX command line tool with an SDK. Yes there's an interactive mode, but it can be invoked as a normal utility too, and piped to other tools and so on.In that context, I don't understand the difference between a "third party harness" and a shell script.How are they even detecting OpenClaw?
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  Multiplayer
  Big Giant Million Dollar Question: Where does having Openclaw using Claude Code via ACP fall? It's using the Claude Code harness, not the model directly.If you are not aware, ACP creates a persistent session for steering rather than using the models directly.
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  alasano
  "these tools put an outsized strain on our systems"AKA when you fully use the capacity you paid for, that's too much!
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  datahack
  Ok. Someone explain to me why they would f themselves this hard with software engineers when they are absolutely winning. This just seems like a bad move.Is it infrastructure? Are they unable to control costs?Everyone else is spending like money is water to try to get adoption. Claude has it and is dialing back utility so that its most passionate users will probably leave.I don’t understand this move.
• dgellow
  Makes sense, yes. That’s definitely not sustainable
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  figmert
  Can they actually realistically do this? Nothing technical can stop a client from masquerading as another, and with the right level of dedication, this wouldn't be very hard to do. And since they're mostly targeting power users, seems like they're barking up the wrong tree. Have I missed something?
• kh_hk
  The same reason I would not use a proprietary text editor applies to harnesses. It's enough of a constraint to use a proprietary service, for me the line is at the tooling. Sunk cost and all it's things.
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  nfw2
  I don't understand exactly what is being banned. I have a vibe coded context manager + chat thread UI that I use to manage multiple claude code cli sessions simultaneous. Is this allowed? If not how would this get identified vs other cli usage? How is this different than openclaw?
• djhope99
  Personally I appreciate the clarity and technical enforcement vs banning accounts.I switched OpenClaw to MiniMax 2.7. This combined with Claude over telegram does enough for me.OpenClaw used to burn through all my Claude usage anyway.
• Larrikin
  Some of the vigorous defending of Claude changing the deal, makes me wonder if Open Claw is banned because they have their own version they are working on deploying.
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  gos9
  I don’t understand why they’re catching any flak here lol if you want to use the frontier model more then pay for it?Graceful handling from Anthropic
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  hgoel
  This seems like a reasonable move even putting aside the reasoning about breaking the assumptions that make a subscription model cheaper than a pay-per-use model.Why would they actively subsidize the ticking timebomb? When OpenClaw has an especially large security incident, Anthropic will probably be affected just for the association.Like, right alongside this post on the front page, we have a post about a relatively serious privilege escalation vulnerability in OpenClaw.
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  zephyreon
  Yah well I'll be downgrading my subscription to the $20/month plan for the light chats I have with AI outside of using custom harnesses and will figure out a better provider for the agentic tooling.
• tzury
  Boris Cherny on thishttps://x.com/bcherny/status/2040206440556826908?s=20
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  rane
  Why doesn't OpenAI introduce $100/mo plan? Surely many would switch in a heartbeat
• causal
  Their whole business model seems built around selling you limits that you will never be able to utilize: limit you to tools that will never run long.Claude Code seems designed to terminate quickly- mine always finds excuses to declare victory prematurely given a task that should take hours.
• eternaut
  Anthropic might underestimate how many users got a subscription because of openclaw and the likes. I did; $100 max subscription. Not renewing it. GLM and minimax are viable alternatives for a fraction of the cost.
• lherron
  Reality is Ant can supply X tokens and they see demand for 10*X tokens. So they’ll charge whatever the top 10% of users are willing to pay, and slowly degrade the value of the subscriptions until everyone has moved to another supplier or migrated to the 10% price point. The draconian ToS that they sometimes enforce is their mechanism to degrade subscription value over time. Expect agent-sdk to be next on the chopping block, moving from oauth supported to api only. When they switch it they will rightly point out the docs never explicitly said it was allowed.
• Seattle3503
  Am I still allowed to invoke cc in a bash script, or is that out too? Interactive sessions only.
• dvt
  Running locally or privately (in the cloud) is the future. Anthropic/OAI will need to recoup (astronomical) training costs and I'm not going to be their bailout plan, especially considering training was done on torrented & copyrighted data anyway.Public model inference quality is almost at SOTA levels, why would anyone pay these VC-subsidized companies even a cent? For a shitty chat interface? Give me a break.
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  arewethereyeta
  Marketing geniuses. They had 2 options here:1. Make a better product/alternative to Openclaw and start eating their userbase. They hold the advantage because the ones "using their servers too much" are already their clients so they could reach out and keep trying to convert. Openclaw literally brought them customers at the door.2. Do everyone royally and get them off their platform - with a strong feeling of dislike or hatred towards Anthropic.Let's see how 2 goes for them. This is not the space to be treating your clients this way.
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  loveparade
  That's why I am using Codex. I slightly prefer Claude in terms of code quality, but it's close, but not being able to use my subscription with other CLIs and apps ruins Claude for me.
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  SkyPuncher
  Just give me a subscription tier where I’m not being blocked out every afternoon.Im hitting rate limits within 1:45 during afternoons.I can’t justify extra usage since it’s a variable cost, but I can justify a higher subscription tier.
• bob1029
  $200 is a lot of money per month. I just bought this much in OAI API credits and I expect them to last me until August or so.If you started plugging tools into GPT5.4 you may soon discover that you don't need anything beyond a single conversation loop with some light nesting. A lot of the openclaw approach seems to be about error handling, retry, resilience and perspectives on LLM tool use from 4+ months ago. All of these ideas are nice, but it's a hell of a lot easier to just be right the first time if all you need is a source file updated or an email written. You can get done in 100 tokens what others can't seem to get done in millions of tokens. As we become more efficient, the economic urgency around token smuggling begins to dissipate.
• dev0p
  Just in time for my subscription to expire. Goodbye!
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  smallerfish
  > for third-party harnessesWhat's the exact definition of third-party harnesses? They have an Agent SDK in Claude Code that can be used. Are they trying to say that only Anthropic products can use pro/max plans?
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  throwaway911282
  Just use codex. A company that has not released any open weights models and goes after banning accounts and suing companies is not really the kind of company I want to give my money too. And gpt5.4 is the best model out there. Some people overthink on personality but I just want good code.
• zephyreon
  This is the classic car wash subscription scheme. You sign up a bunch of people for $40 a month to wash their car. Most people only go to wash their car once or twice a month (or even less), which offsets those few folks that do it three times a week or more.The problem Anthropic is running into is that OpenClaw made it easy for everyone to become one of those folks that washes their car three times a week or more.I’m sure they were losing money on subscriptions in general but now they are really losing money. Shutting off OpenClaw specifically probably helps stem some of the bleeding.
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  christopher8827
  This is why people are switching over to Codex
• siliconc0w
  As the demand for GPUs grows and supply cannot match it, the GPUs are going towards the enterprise and it'll be the haves vs the have-nots.Instead of not driving to work to save fuel, frugal companies are going to have their engineers work on weekends to save tokens.
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  _pdp_
  The solution as usual is open source.For example...We recently moved a very expensive sonnet 4.6 agent to step-3.5-flash and it works surprising well. Obviously step-3.5-flash is nowhere near the raw performance of sonnet but step works perfectly fine for this case.Another personal observation is that we are most likely going to see a lot of micro coding agent architectures everywhere. We have several such cases. GPT and Claude are not needed if you focus the agent to work on specific parts of the code. I wrote something about this here: https://chatbotkit.com/reflections/the-rise-of-micro-coding-...
• 8note
  > We’ve been working to manage demand across the board, but these tools put an outsized strain on our systems. Capacity is a resource we manage carefully and we need to prioritize our customers using our core products.but couldn't i use this in off times only?
• snthpy
  I thought this had already been the case for a while?
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  benbojangles
  Anthropic are a smart clever research based bunch of people, they probably realised that openclaw is a mess, full of vibe coding get rich quick people, nothing particularly interesting to observe, and don't want to mix this data with the data they have already from real coders.
• jklm
  The main reason I find myself using Opus is because it's a better communicator. (Yes, I know it's better in some areas like frontend vs. others but this is not significant enough for my purposes.)So this change has actually forced a reckoning of sorts. Maybe the best option is to outsource the thinking to another model, and then send it back to Opus to package up.Ironically this is how the non-agent works too to an extent.
• gnabgib
  Discussion (655 points, 1 month ago, 793 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47069299
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  mogili1
  What about when you use Claude agent SDK on your laptop?Extra usage is very sneaky you don't get any notice that you are using extra usage and could end up with unnecessary costs in case you would have preferred to wait an hour or so.
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  ramoz
  Super confusing email. Not sure why I received. Am i to assume my account was flagged? I only use my subscription for Claude Code.UPDATE:reply on x Thariq @trq212 only flagged accounts, but you can still claim the credit
• yoyohello13
  You can basically do what open claw does with native Claude code features now anyway.
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  evbogue
  How does Anthropic detect that a person is using OpenClaw vs using Claude Code?Forgive me if someone asked this already and I can't find it in the comments.
• sanex
  Claude usage limits are insane. I love their models but had to cancel my personal plan because I would burn through my weekly limits in 2 days. I use them for work but I spend like $30-50 __per day__. Not something I'd pay for myself.
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  skyberrys
  Is this going to nuke all bring your own API 3rd party tools? I've been casually using fewshell https://github.com/few-sh/fewshell with my Claude api key, I really hope it's going to keep working. I've just finally managed to turn myself into a reasonable devops team with it.
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  crawshaw
  Based on this and recent product releases, Anthropic seems keen on building a closed ecosystem around their excellent model. That is their business choice, I suspect it will work well. But I cannot say I am particularly excited to have my entire development stack owned by one company.
• kelnos
  I guess they're only sending this to people who use tools like OpenClaw. I don't, and haven't gotten an email. And I guess also won't get the free extra usage credit offer. Ah well.
• stingraycharles
  OpenClaw also had the ability to run entirely within Claude Code instead of using the oauth token. Would that still be allowed?
• whateveracct
  Go pay for the API. It's not complicated.
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  Ifkaluva
  I think this is why the LLM era will not produce as much automation as people think.We have had the ability to automate browser activities for a long time—but, online service providers don’t want to be behind a layer of automation, which is why captchas were invented.Automating things on the Internet has never been a technology obstacle, it has been a social one.I don’t see how anything has changed!In fact I recently received an updated ToS from eBay saying I am not allowed to use an AI agent to buy stuff on their site. Just a matter of time until others follow suit!Edit: I misunderstood what was happening. Thanks to the comment below for clarifying.
• jerieljan
  I always thought this was the case since they declared war against Opencode and its users.The lines drawn by their consumer vs commercial TOS was clear and I never subscribed because of it.
• bglusman
  For anyone interested, I’m cleaning up a project I’ve been working on that is a router for arbitrary agents derivative of/forked from ZeroClaw… part of what it does is let you switch between different agents on WhatsApp/Signal/Matrix etc via !switch commands, so that part isn’t an agent itself but just wants to own your channels so you can have any number of agents talking to the same handful of channels without contention.I do also bundle a default agent with it, also forked from ZeroClaw, with a goal of being more or less prompt injection proof and hopefully able to centralize some configuration and permissions for most or all of the agents it manages, though that part is very rough sketch/plan at the moment I’d love feedback and help on from anyone interested…. Two projects, clash and nono caught my eye in this space, I think both leverage Linux landgrant but I may also use landrun for similar control of other processes like openclaw that it may manage for the user, still figuring out how and where to fit all the pieces together and what’s pragmatic/what’s overkill/what overlaps or duplicates across various strategies and tools. Right now there’s real bash wrappers that evaluate starlark policies, hoping to fully validate better end to end but if you’re interested a few others users testing, validating and/or contributing Claude tokens to the project could be invaluable at this stage. Plan to open source ASAP, maybe tonight or tomorrow if there’s interest and I have time to finish cleanup and rename (I was calling it PolyClaw but that confuses with some weird polymarket Claude skill, so now the router is going to be ZeroClawed and the agent will stay NonZeroClaw in homage to ZeroClaw who it’s forked from… we may also integrate the new Claw Code port which is also rust, just for good measure/as a native coding agent in addition to the native claw agent )Anyway the main reason I mention is it already has a working ACP integration for any code agent, and working now on using Claude codes native channel integration to make it appear as a full fledged channel of its own, as it now more or less does already to OpenClaw, for anyone wanting to gradually migrate away from their existing OpenClaw installation using this, towards Claude or some other agent. Email me or respond here if interested, or I’ll try and post link here once it’s fully public/open source
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  hombre_fatal
  If OpenClaw is just "claude -p", then how do they know when you're using OpenClaw?
• computerex
  Claude is a great model. But anthropic’s user hostile practices have forced me to terminate my sub with them. Right now I am all in on GitHub copilot and that’s primarily how I get my opus tokens.
• OptionOfT
  Given the sheer amount of logging that happens in Claude Code based on the leak, I'm not surprised. This isn't about load, this is merely about cost.Claude Code is subsidized because of data collection.
• Robdel12
  I believe the capacity about 30%. They did just spend the entire last month of feature releases in Clade Code replacing "claw" features.So, to me its a "we built it into our world use ours"Edit: FWIW I am an avid hater of all claw things, they're security nightmare.
• yalogin
  Oh that is the crux of it, I was wondering why they are leading with the free credit in their email and what the catch is. I guess for someone that doesn’t use openclaw it doesn’t matter.
• rohansood15
  This email gives out the endgame - eventually, Claude subscription would be ~30% cheaper than API costs.Our engineering team averages 1.5k per dev per month on credit costs, without busting Max limits today.
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  janalsncm
  I got fed up with Claude code limits and have been using a combination of qwen3-coder, gemma4, and qwen3-vl locally. Gets me 90% of the way there and CC is still around for now if I need it.Btw even at insane markups $200/mo means GPUs break even pretty fast.
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  eagleinparadise
  Anthropic measures your usage based on token consumptionWe are paying for a certain amount of token consumptionWhy then, is this an outsized strain on your system Anthropic?It's like buying gasoline from Shell, and then Shell's terms of services forcing you to use that gas in a Hummer that does 5 MPG, while everyone else wants to drive any other vehicle.
• davesque
  I'm honestly completely in favor of this. Anthropic obviously budgets their capacity based on projected human usage patterns coming through their native app suite (Claude Cowork, Claude Code, etc.). They should not be expected to shoulder the burden of community tools like OpenClaw that are effectively designed to strategically max out usage windows on the plan. That has clearly caused issues with uptime in the past couple of months and I've gotten pretty fed up with the degraded service quality while I'm just trying to use Claude Code as it's intended to be used. I'm happy to see they're doing something about this. Seems like a totally fair move to me. I'd rather that Claude Code functions well when I'm using it according to its design.
• mediagato
  We built an open-source orchestrator that routes across providers with direct API keys. If you're looking for alternatives to subscription-locked tools: https://modelreins.com
• buremba
  I get why they block OpenClaw and it makes sense but I wonder if they can actually detect OpenClaw calling Claude Code CLI using something like acpx.It's simply identical to how people use Claude Code locally.
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  jeffpersonified
  Less than 24hr notice on a Friday: either Anthropic is dropping S tier next week or they massively fumbled over the past 2 months in self owns and outages.
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  chrisjj
  And so it begins...
• lrvick
  They also forced OpenCode to remove support as well. Thankfully there is always self hosting and a shit ton of competitors that let you use whatever local software you want.
• tiarafawn
  Could the real reason for this be more centered around generation and control of new training data?I suspect the same for the forced high AI usage quotas for developers at MS etc. We've had multiple generations of models trained on all of the code that's available and there are diminishing returns on how much that data can do for training now. Newly published publicly available data is also made up of a significant portion of slop.The best way to get fresh training data from real human brains might be to have real humans use your first party tools where you control all of the telemetry.
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  pikdum
  Does this mean I can't use `claude -p` in bash scripts now?
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  raincole
  So is Codex the only SOTA that welcomes third-party harness?
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  benn67
  Haha, I almost expected this.Say goodbye to my 600$/ month Anthropic.
• Animats
  Oh, it's a billing thing. Not fear that Claude coupled to something that can actually do things is dangerous.
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  HellsMaddy
  I received it too. I wonder if they sent this to all pro/max subscribers or only those who they’ve flagged as having used a third party harness.
• zem
  I wonder if this also applies to tools that interact with the claude code tui through tmux's capabilities.
• Lihh27
  This is exactly why building daily workflows on top of proprietary API wrappers is a ticking time bomb. The moment your tooling becomes an outsized strain, they just flip the switch on you.
• jonwinstanley
  What are people doing with OpenClaw? Are there any places that try to log best uses and new ideas?
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  0xbadcafebee
  If you spend $200/month on Anthropic, that's $2400/year. Buy a fast GPU or Strix Halo machine, do the AI locally, after a year you're saving money.
• Sinidir
  Does anyone know. How would that relate to simply wrapping claude code as a subprocess?
• dackdel
  cant wait till they implement turboquant and make ai cheaper again
• anizan
  Using Xiaomi’s mimo pro on openrouter via hermes agent
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  eternaut
  someone else _not_ having the “Claim” button on the banner at the top of the Usage page?
• raverbashing
  It looks like the chickens came to roost much earlier than expected, including the fall in RAM prices
• randall
  Does anyone have a link to the "read more"?
• supliminal
  Since the OpenClaw creator is posting on HN I’d like to hear some commentary from him directly.
• seamossfet
  Honestly, this is a good thing. OpenClaw as a concept was rather silly to run such a heavy model for. If you want something like OpenClaw to work you really need to figure out how to do it with an economical model.
• anon
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  cat-turner
  Doesn't this unfairly impact startups? Why not instead allow issuance of API keys with usage caps? It seems like a money grab.
• Razengan
  AI disallowing use by AI :|
• beanjuiceII
  i think i'll no longer be giving my money to anthropic
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  saltyoldman
  Is anyone even getting anything out of a $20/mo sub for Anthropic?I'm doing a side-by-side with GPT-5.4 for $20/mo and Sonnet for $20/mo and I can tell you that all my 5 hour tokens are eaten in 30 minutes with Claude. I still haven't used my tokens for OpenAI.Code quality seems fine on both. Building an app in Go
• Traubenfuchs
  You can cancel your subscription, there are like 5 competitors you can pick instead and anthropic offers an API plan where you can find out how many tokens circus tools like claws really consume compared to coding tasks.
• kjuulh
  Anthropic should calm down, I get that they're trying to either build a moat, or simply curb what is essentially subsidized tokens. It is technically true that when you've got a claude code subscription you pay for the product with its terms, and those terms doesn't include you grabbing the token and using it for another application. They're also trying to build a competitor to openclaw so it makes sense they're trying to crush it. But it feels like such a feeble moat, that it looks silly. Claude Code is nice, but it is not that nice.
• desireco42
  They are running out of things to ban...
• mccoyb
  Why not use datacenter of geniuses to increase capacity? Grug confused.
• andrewstuart
  Big mistake.Claude innovation will come from being open, not closed.
• zer00eyz
  "We dont crash ever" -- the social network.If you haven't been paying attention anthropic burned a lot of their developer good will in the last 2 weeks, with some combination of bugs and rate limits.But the writing is on the wall about how bad things are behind the scenes. The circa 2002 sentiment filter regex in their own tool should have been a major clue about where things stand.The question every one should be asking at this point is this: is there an economic model that makes AI viable. The "bitter lesson" here is in AI's history: expert systems were amazing, but they could not be maintained at cost.The next race is the scaling problem, and google with their memory savings paper has given a strong signal what the next 2 years of research are going to be focused on: scaling.
• cute_boi
  Idk why people are complaining when they know subscription are currently heavily subsidized. If they don't like they can always choose alternative service.
• nekusar
  Wellll, that rug aint gonna pull itself, now is it?Ive been calling for local LLM as owning the means of production. I aint wrong.
• j45
  Inefficient token use will have to tighten up.
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  tinyhouse
  I really started to like Pi. That's unfortunate that I won't be able to use it with Opus (way too expensive without a subscription). I'm optimistic that open source coding models will be able to keep up. AI is too important, we're shooting ourselves in the foot if we don't adopt open source tools and models. The more adoption the better it will become.
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  stavros
  Looks like I'm going to be switching to OpenAI. I know the whole "well those are the terms" Stockholm syndrome argument, but no, those weren't the terms when I signed up. If one of the parties decided to unilaterally change terms in any other everyday situation, nobody would think it was acceptable, but we've become so resigned to corporations having enough money to make the law suit them that we think it's moral behavior.No, Anthropic, just because you added a clause that says "we can change these terms whenever" doesn't make it right. I'm paying you a set amount of money a month for a set amount of tokens (that's what limits are), and I should be able to use these tokens however I want.Luckily, there are alternatives.
• yieldcrv
  I like how the best way to protest this is by doing what everyone should have been doing to begin with: running a great open source model on rented hardware
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  rvz
  > To make the transition easier, we’re offering a one-time credit for extra usage equal to your monthly subscription price. Redeem your credit by April 17. We’re also introducing discounts when you pre-purchase bundles of extra usage (up to 30%).The Anthropic casino wants you to continue gambling tokens at their casino only on their machines (Claude Code) only by giving more promotional offers such as free spins, $20 bets and more free tokens at the roulette wheels and slot machines.But you cannot repurpose your subscription on other slot machines that are not owned by Anthropic and if you want it badly, they charge you more for those credits.The house (Anthropic) always wins.
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  winterrx
  So now what happens to startups and ADE's orientated around Claude like Conductor.. no more Claude for them I guess back to Codex!
• Alexzoofficial
  Nice
• SevenTGK
  mysterious anthropic win???
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  jasonlotito
  Yes, this was made clear a while back and should not be a surprise. (Honestly, I had to double-check the date/time to see if this was actually posted today.You can use your Claude Code subscription with third-party tools, but you have to use the Claude Code harness. Or, you use the API. OpenClaw could use the Claude Code harness, but they don't.
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  charcircuit
  You never have been able to. It's against ToS.
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  entropoem
  Anthropic and OpenAI are the clearest examples of why, in an organization of specialists, the experts themselves should not be the CEO or the final decision-maker once the company’s challenges extend beyond just the product.Just look at how Sam Altman has led OpenAI step by step to dominate—and choke out—Anthropic, a company founded by the group of engineers who were once part of the turmoil at OpenAI.Anthorpic's product thinking is terrible even though it is technically very good.