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Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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chis
It's so cool that every individual upgrade they did here can be hot-swapped back to the older designs. That's a huge extra lift that they didn't have to do.To be specific: There's a new lower chassis, and a new chassis top with haptic touchpad. On my older framework I could buy just the chassis top to get the new touchpad. Crazy that they could make that work.I also just really admire the CEO for doing these semi-scripted public presentations nerding out over the new devices and shouting out specific team members who did the designs. Really hope the company is doing well.Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSxgCEpkiKM
kelnos
As soon as I saw the email announcement for the 13 Pro, my face fell. My assumption was that this was a brand new, incompatible chassis, and that my current 13 would be obsolete, and if I want to go further, I'd have to buy a whole new chassis in one go. Essentially a full laptop replacement, completely betraying the entire point.And then I click through and see the compatibility table and my jaw drops. Amazing! Yes, it's a new chassis, but all the parts that matter will fit into my old chassis. And if I want to upgrade the chassis, I can even do that piece by piece as well, not all at once.I'm also glad to see another Intel mainboard, and one with the new, actually-powerful iGPUs. A part of me has considered over time defecting to AMD, but I'm still just more comfortable with Intel, for some reason that probably isn't rational. My one concern is that their CPU options top out at 4 performance cores; the i7-1370P I have right now has 6. But I know these days it's hard to reason about real-world performance just by core count, especially with the different flavors of cores we have now.Another worry: the thermals of the original 13 chassis have never been great, and I'm concerned that the new mainboard will throttle a bunch under load when installed in the old chassis.At any rate, I may not upgrade this year, given RAM prices. I have 64GB of DDR4 in my current laptop, and replacing that with the same amount of LPCAMM2 LPDDR5X is probably more expensive than the rest of the laptop itself.But maybe over the next few years I'll ship-of-theseus myself into a new laptop.
pojntfx
I'm really looking forward to having this as the go-to laptop to recommend to devs again. The original Framework chassis was really showing it's age next to e.g. a MacBook Pro or the new XPS 14.Having mainline Linux on a system with 24h+ battery life in a 13" case is pretty damn impressive.
nrp
I’m happy to answer questions folks have around the product (later today).
brson
I'll take this opportunity to report on my Framework Laptop 13 experience. I've had it for over a year.The case is warped in multiple places. One USB C module doesn't accept a power charge reliably. It can overheat and shutdown. If the case flexes a little the trackpad stops responding - it needs to be on a flat surface. Power brick died.On the plus side, my partner had one and when she threw it away she gave me her parts and I was able to swap some out. That was cool.
kingsleyopara
I really want to love this thing but at least in the UK, matching specs it comes out as more expensive than the MBP - even worse when you factor in potential discounts/sales which framework doesn't offer.Framework 13 Pro: £2064 (Ultra X7 358H, 16GB, 1TB, default ports, no adapter)Framework 13 Pro: £2264 (Ultra X7 358H, 32GB, 1TB, default ports, no adapter)MacBook Pro 14: £1699 (M5, 16GB, 1TB, no adapter)MacBook Pro 14: £2099 (M5, 32GB, 1TB, no adapter)MacBook Pro 14: £2199 (M5 Pro, 24GB, 1TB, no adapter) - added as I think it’s an even better deal
canada_dry
Without a mockup of what all the customizable parts will look like... it's hard to commit to a build.
Sephr
My main gripes:- There's zero mention of the display technology, just "2.8K Touchscreen Display"- The optional HDMI ("3rd Gen") adapter is only 4K 60hz, when the host chip has integrated Thunderbolt 4 which can output 4K 240Hz
rglover
Has anyone made the jump from a Mac to Framework as a daily driver? This is the first model to get my attention as a possible candidate for a full switch to Linux.
niteshpant
These are cool laptops. But, after getting a decent config (32gb ram, 1tb ssd, 7 series chip), the price is ~$2300. At that point, a MacBook Pro seems like a better choice. I'd not want to develop on anything less than that config. The selling point seems to be the Linux + Framework brand + highly customizable machine you can actually ownI've always wondered if these laptops can scale beyond the enthusiast group. If so, how?
killingtime74
Only 2.8k non OLED display?
hecifato
I’ve been a MacBook guy for almost a decade now, but I’ve been watching Framework since their first announcement. This is the most appealing Framework device I’ve seen.The new display, battery life, the new Intel chips, and LPCAM2 memory all look great. I love my M1 MBP but Apple’s software quality has been rough the past year especially. I think this is also the first time the Framework 13 has officially supported Thunderbolt? Depending on how macOS 27 turns out I may seriously consider the 13 Pro as my next laptop. I’d slap Fedora Workstation on it and call it a day.
iamdamian
For me, this was an immediate buy.Everything about this is what I've been looking for in a Linux laptop. (Also, how refreshing is it to not have to think hard about how much RAM you might need over the next few years because you know you can always upgrade it later?)
iamcalledrob
I really wish this had a 4K display option. As someone who dislikes fractional scaling.I'm clinging on to my older Thinkpad X1 because the 4K display is so good.
charlieboardman
From what I can ascertain, the new bigger battery is incompatible with the old chassis: https://frame.work/products/pro-battery-74wh"This product can only be used with both the Framework Laptop 13 Pro Bottom Cover and Framework Laptop 13 Pro Input Cover."I applaud that the mainboard and keyboard are backwards compatible, but I don't think the pro is quite as backwards compatible as some are thinking
manuhabitela
Man, this looks really, really impressive. It basically solves every issue we could find to the framework 13. Can't wait for the reviews.Accepting the prices of the ram shortage era is still painful, but even with the 64gb option, here in France it's still a great deal compared to similarly configured premium thinkpads or macbook pros.
cassianoleal
The whole page advertises how well this runs Linux, but then…> The side-firing speakers are tuned with Dolby Atmos® to deliver clear, balanced audio on Windows
etothet
I really like what Framwork has been doing, but I have an honest question: is 20 hours of Netflix 4k streaming at 250nit and 30% volume a spec to show off? I genuinely don't know.I thought most modern laptops have dedicated video decode hardware that is fairly easy on battery. At only 250nit though...that seems dim by today's standards. I'm happy to be wrong though!
jasonjmcghee
Out of sheer curiosity, why do apple devices have astronomically longer battery life when sleeping? (How is the sleep so efficient?)I was busy with work and didn't touch my personal laptop for a few weeks and it still had well over half the battery.
nightski
Beautiful laptop and then they stick a tiny 13" screen on there, I don't get it. 14" is the perfect size. Guess it just isn't the one for me.
sosodev
TIL LPCAMM2 exists. What an awesome solution to allow memory replacements while meeting all of the other requirements for laptops.
sandreas
Here is a more explanatory video what's new and how it looks.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnOpIQJnYWU
MarsIronPI
Man, I want to get a Framework, but I'm held back by the lack of trackpoint. Yes, I know it's not going to happen officially, but I just can't see myself using a laptop without one. So, until someone figures out some mod or 3rd-party part I'm sticking with Thinkpads.
andrelaszlo
It's beautiful. Just got a Framework 13 a few months ago, so I can't justify buying a pro just to get it in black... right?
Retr0id
Depending on how good that haptic trackpad is, this could be a real Macbook Pro competitor. 32GB of RAM on my M1 Pro is starting to feel a bit cramped.
babylon5
Nice upgrades, but no mention of ECC RAM, the single thing that I wanted from an upgrade for a decade? Why do chip makers refuse to take our money? :-PA few years ago we were told only "Pro" parts have ECC: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37828168
aktuel
The unevenly sized arrow keys still prevent me from buying any of it.
mikkelam
I've been super happy with my Framework desktop. And since getting that I've been craving replacing my MacBook... This looks super attractive
jpeeler
Wish it supported coreboot. It seems hard to find modern hardware that does.
ua709
The expansion card system seems like something I would actually really like, especially as a hardware engineer. But the more I thought about it I couldn't really think of any compelling expansion cards that were worth the effort. So I figured I would look at what was in their store to see what other people thought up, and there isn't really any 3rd party store that I could find.I did find this list: https://community.frame.work/t/list-of-company-or-individual...According to it there are more 3rd party main boards than expansion cards. I kinda get it, but wow. End of an era I guess.
ciaranmca
Don’t think I have ever came across a queue to buy a laptop before but congrats to the framework team.
commandersaki
Blah why do they insist on those full height arrow keys.
alsetmusic
I continue to admire Framework from afar. If I were to switch from MacOS to Linux, they'd be at the top of my list when shopping.
nhumrich
Personally, I don't understand aluminum chassis. Sure, it feels more premium, but it comes with quite a bit more weight than plastic, and I much prefer less weight over "feel" when it comes to a laptop.
awongh
How is ubuntu support for touchscreens these days?How does it compare to an ipad in terms of fidelity / responsiveness, and for native-feeling integration with ubuntu?I am, naturally, a bit skeptical that touchscreen UI would be any good in linux.
Elixir6419
I would love to go framework and the specs here look pretty awesome but 5g modem is a must have for me and they dont really have an option for that. I am guessing due to the antennas.
the_arun
Macbook Pro 14" with M5, 32GB RAM, 1TB HDD = $2,099.00Framework Pro 13" DIY AMD Ryzen 7 350, 32GB RAM, 1TB HDD = $2,049.00Framework Pro 13" Pre-Built AMD Ryzen 7 350, 32GB RAM, 1TB HDD = $2,059.00
kapilvt
Assuming the Qualcomm ARM lawsuits are what’s preventing the AArch64 debut…
ndom91
Anyone know much about the new top of the line Intel vs AMD CPU options? Which is more power efficient? Powerful?
philistine
Hey let's make a very versatile laptop with tons of options for consumers, and let's not offer the other Standard Canadian French keyboard, let's just have the old one Windows forces on people.
Rooster61
Is there a side by side comparison for their products anywhere? I'd like to compare this to the current 16 specs. And are they planning a "Pro" version of the 16?I don't have plans to buy a laptop in the near future, but its nice to have this as an option. I like the idea of a bespoke Linux machine I could use.
rubiquity
Are the mainboards and upgrade kits available for purchase now or just the whole laptop?edit: I think I found it: https://frame.work/products/laptop13pro-mainboard-intel-ultr...
luxuryballs
why is it so hard to find a simple keyboard layout diagram, the first full view of the keyboard I could find was flashing between different color options making it hard to see what the keys are, the first thing I think of for a “developer laptop” is what the keyboard is, feels like it should be more front-and-center (I might have just missed it though, on mobile)
sharms
This is great - a Macbook Pro for Linux users, made of CNC milled aluminum, haptic trackpad, and 20+ hours of 4k video playback under Linux
cromka
Too bad there's no second m2 slot for extra disk and no 5G WWAN support.
giancarlostoro
I wonder if they'll ever make a "Toughbook" type of laptop. Those things are very interesting, since you can shove drives in and out of them and it matches the spirit of what this is.
bodge5000
Just wish they'd give the FW16 the same treatment, at least in terms of the build. You shouldn't choose a laptop based on looks but thats hitting exactly what I want, minus the 16" screen
asadm
I wish it was easy to port Asahi Linux to macbook neo. That would be insane!
dehugger
A laptop without a unified memory model is categorically incapable of being the "ultimate developer laptop". Framework already have Strix Halo machines, I don't know why they felt the need to hamstring this thing with Intel.
outlore
Can this drive a Studio Display XDR at 120 Hz? I wonder if anyone else is thinking about this and how to figure out compatibility.
fwipsy
Framework is cool, but Lenovo and Dell have been selling repairable enterprise laptops with Linux support for years. Some Precision/XPS laptops even have replaceable graphics cards.* It feels like they don't get nearly as much attention.* Some will even work with graphics cards from newer laptops using the same chassis; for example, the Precision 7530 (8th gen Intel + Pascal GPUs) can be upgraded with Precision 7540 (Turing) GPUs. This isn't officially supported, though, and may not apply to later models.
koalaman
I'm struggling to understand if this supports usb-c based thunderbolt
darkwater
When my hard plastic chassis T470 from 2016 dies and cannot be repaired, I will for sure buy a Framework.
stasomatic
It’s a niche box within its own niche (Linux). Perhaps they’ll do a pivot to eco friendly slippers. I admire their manifesto, but can’t see them surviving. You can get a last year’s decent Thinkpad for $400-600 with parts galore. This thing, you buy it on principle only.
z3ugma
It doesn't come with any RAM? You have to add $140 for 8GB or "bring your own"...so the list price does not represent a working computer?
lazy-lambda
I am getting this one for sure. The waiting is over.
rickdg
Very cool upgraded version. How noisy or hot does it get?
smallstepforman
Who watches Netflix at 30% brightness? Another useless marketing blurb, really puts me off from reading the rest.
LorenDB
I'm happy to see they finally added a touchscreen. This will probably be my next laptop.
altern8
Looks awesome, but any developer laptop should have an inverted-T layout for arrows.Those might look cool, but they're a huge pain to use.
christophilus
Well, this looks excellent.
benoau
I might be in love...
IshKebab
64GB of RAM is £850? Insane timeline.
whalesalad
Pre-ordered a Ultra X7 358H with 32GB as an upgrade from an M2 Air. I hope that I do not regret this.
NewJazz
LPCAMM2 looks interesting. How much is that RAM though :'(
muyuu
Now that RAM is unobtainium anyway, it seems like the case for very energy efficient laptops is more compelling vs inference-capable ones.
dzhiurgis
Very nitpicky, but video files for ASCII animation while advertising developer laptop. Cmon man.
pb7
Why are they advertising only Linux OSes but the battery life numbers are for Windows 11? Why not show the Linux numbers?
atlgator
The 20 hour battery rating is for Windows 11. How long does Linux last?
foresterre
Finally! Glad they will now offer something which doesn't have a bending frame.... but I wish they would make something with a bit more screen estate without being heavy and bulky. Their 16" is just too big. I really like the Dell XPS 14 and MBP 14", which I think is the right trade-off between screen size and portability.
tokyobreakfast
I get to choose 4 ports in a $2,000+ "developer" laptop? Is this a joke?Most of the port options are decoys because it means 1 or 0 USB ports.And no I'm not carrying around a satchel of modules like an old British lord.
erichocean
I wish they offered a Dvorak keyboard. Of all laptops, this is the most obvious one to do it.
Jyaif
Those transparent bezel look incredibly good.
ChrisArchitect
Blog post: https://frame.work/blog/introducing-framework-laptop-13-pro
subscribed
sigh. I wish I knew. I've got Framework 13 (Ryzen AI 300 series) and it's battery life is absolutely awful. Won't even survive a weekend in sleep. My old, dying Dell was better.
varispeed
> up to 64GB of LPCAMM2 LPDDR5XThat's a non-starter. Why not 128GB or push boundary for 256GB?
skywal_l
75% keyboard?
dangus
I was sure they’d deliver Panther Lake but didn’t think it would have LPCAMM.I thought they’d either solder the memory or skip out on delivering the good integrated graphics from the X SKUs.I’m stunned in a good way. This is a MacBook Pro killer for the nerdier end of Apple’s market.The fact that you mostly can pick and choose your upgrades to Pro is really cool, too.The mid-tier X7 board sold alone seems like a great value and it would be a pretty solid uplift to the old system.
lawn
Please say that the new keyboard has QMK support?It's the one thing I'm jealous of the Laptop 16 together with their key module that should let you design arbitrary layouts.
unethical_ban
This is awesome. I like my 2 year old framework and this new RAM looks really interesting, I need to learn more.However, the 358H processor + 64GB RAM + 1TB NVMe is $2700. Wow. Even if I sold my current AMD 7840U with 64GB of RAM it would still be quite an investment.The biggest question I have, which is probably easily searchable: How well will this run local LLMs? Seems the RAM is fast enough.
monegator
- Intel CPU -> No thanks- Touchscreen -> mmkay, but i don't really care- Haptic touchpad -> I absolutely hate those. I want to click buttons. Buttons. Buttons.Well, this is not for me i guess :(
haspok
No dedicated Home/End/PgUp/PgDn/Ins/Del? Meh.No T-shape cursor keys?!? Lame. No love. No want. Go home.Thinkpad FTW. Sorry.
cyberax
I was hoping for a monitor update for the 16" laptop. But:> 16" 16:1- Anti-glare matte display (2560x1600), 500 nits, no HDRSorry. That's just not going to cut it. These are 5-year-old specs.
andrewmcwatters
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iririririr
"pro" in the name, without ECC ram is a travesty