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Ping-pong robot beats top-level human players

Ping-pong robot beats top-level human players

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  • phtrivier
    My biggest fear at the moment is robot armies and police forces.Case in point : we're all expecting China needs to invade Taiwan soon, or they will run out of soldiers because of the one child policies of the 70s/80s.Meanwhile, Ukraine is holding up against a "modern" army with quickly assembled drones.So it all seems a bit like "they'll never put tanks through the Ardennes", sort of ?Where and when will the first invasion of a country by a purely remote controlled, AI assisted army take place ?Will robot battalions embed civilians to act as human shields ? Will the AI learn to mistreat the locals to maintain fear, or will they see it as a needless distraction and rush to the center of powers ?If war is mostly played out from a disrance, will years of playing RTS give South Korea an edge ?
  • dmurray
    A year ago this [0] table tennis robot backed by Google DeepMind was discussed on HN.It plays much worse and the HN discussion is anchored around whether it's OK to call it "human-level" or if the authors should have clarified that they meant a human who doesn't actually play table tennis. But it was accepted as being SOTA at that time.What happened since then? This looks like the kind of level of advance we see in, say, coding AIs, but I thought physical robotics was advancing much more slowly.A partial answer is that the new robot cheats in ways that DeepMind didn't seem to. It has high speed cameras all over the room and can detect spin by observing the logo on the ball. But I'm not sure this explains such a big advance.[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43861207
  • amandle
    Reminds me of the Mitch Hedberg joke: "The depressing thing about tennis is that no matter how good I get, I'll never be as good as a wall."
  • sd9
    The official Sony AI video, which is really interesting and has some glorious footage: https://youtu.be/FrGq8ltb-_E?si=PWm1Dv0T9UHUFw0t
  • halfnhalf
    Don't table tennis players learn to predict how the ball will act based on their opponents movements? Seems like if they aren't able to do that with a robot opponent (who doesn't look or behave like a human) then they wouldn't be able to play at their best.
  • retrochameleon
    I'll be impressed when it's a humanoid robot that has to contend with similar kinematic limitations as a human player.
  • mgh2
  • janalsncm
    Here is the paper:https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-026-10338-5I would love to see a video of this thing that shows the whole table. From the paper I guess they have to light the area very brightly. But it seems like a pretty serious set up.
  • downboots
    Telepresence/robo-augmented padel, the future
  • anon
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  • throwatdem12311
    I don’t care about robots being better than humans at human achievement.Would anyone ever watch Clankers play hockey against eachother at a Clanker Olympics? The idea is absurd, I want to see humans competing because they are humans not just because they are good.
  • ChrisMarshallNY
    Makes sense that it would.Reminds me of this old The Onion story: https://theonion.com/ping-pong-somehow-elicits-macho-posturi...
  • jmward01
    I'm not that excited about 'x beats human at y' anymore. I am more interested in 'x beats human at made up on the spot tasks p d and q'. That is starting to happen more generically and is a bigger sign of emerging capability. We can always create something confined that will beat humans, it isn't until recently that we are starting to be able to generally beat humans at tasks.
  • jcims
    The motion system constrains the problem quite a bit. This video of high speed vision/actuators is 16 years old - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfdHY26E2jcI was expecting/hoping for a humanoid robot.
  • aldielshala
    Finally an AI that takes someone's job and nobody's upset about it.
  • metadat
    Is there a video of this in action? Pictures are not satisfying at all!
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  • chasil
    What happens when two of them play each other?How easy is it to introduce artifacts that reduce accuracy and performance?
  • nemo44x
    Well, I guess we’re going to fire all the Ping-pong players at the office and replace them with these robots.
  • allthetime
    Much like the robots beating half marathon records in China recently… who cares? Cake making robots can make cakes way faster than human bakers. Cars and motorcycles go faster than bicyclists. It is a boring given that purpose made machines perform the tasks they are built to perform better than humans.
  • finger
    I wonder if a top player with access to a robot like this can get an extra edge in training?
  • OisinMoran
    This is great, I remember being sorely disappointed by the hyped up Timo Boll vs Kuka robot 12 years ago. I thought it was going to be a real match and seemed like the robot would destroy him, but ended up just being a marketing stunt and felt like a fixed fight, with no real digging into the tech or why the robot "lost". Still some cool footage: https://youtu.be/tIIJME8-au8
  • tartoran
    Cool. Now let's see two robots play and if it's fun let it become it's own thing. Other than that, this could be used for training actual players.
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  • tantalor
    > Now, Wireless Joe Jackson! There was a blern hitting machine.> Exactly! He was a machine designed to hit blerns. I mean come on, Wireless Joe was nothing but programmable bat on wheels.> Oh? And I suppose Pitch-o-mat 5000 was just a modifier howitzer?> Yep!
  • slowhadoken
    The greatest blernsball player was a machine for playing blernsball.
  • runicelf
    Now we need to find out if the robot can win against the wall
  • amelius
    AI gets all the fun jobs. Yet again.Now build a robot that can catch a bullet.
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  • vova_hn2
    While the engineering behind this achievement is really impressive, it doesn't feel that important in the grand scheme of things.We had machines "beating" humans in physical tasks for a very long time. No one would be impressed by a car winning a running competition or a construction crane lifting more weight than an Olympic weightlifting champion.