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  bri3d
  > limit or disable certain functionality in the vehicle: ... over-the-air updates, which provide new ... safety enhancements ...I wonder what happens if you disable the e-SIM (in the US) and then a safety recall appears via software update - do dealers have any way to update control modules besides OTA?This is a huge unresolved issue with EVs IMO; ICE cars are required to provide emissions-relevant updates over software which can operate using a J2534 passthrough device, which effectively means powertrain modules have to allow (potentially signed) updates over CAN using software that can be obtained by an end user (a lot of people don't know this; for almost any ICE car in the US, you can buy a 3-day or 1-week subscription to the dealership level diagnostic software for a somewhat reasonable fee and use it with a J2534 device).But for EVs, there's no such rule and as far as I can tell it's entirely a gray area in the US now; the NHTSA require a "remedy" for recalls but nobody seems to have pushed back to determine whether OTA is truly a remedy. The traditional autos all offer dealerships as a backup option, but Tesla and Rivian have several recalls with only OTA remedies already. This seems sketchy.
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  Cider9986
  Related: Mozilla did a review of different cars for privacy:(https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/privacynotincluded/arti...)>Nissan earned its second-to-last spot for collecting some of the creepiest categories of data we have ever seen. [Their privacy policy] includes your “sexual activity.” Not to be out done, Kia also mentions they can collect information about your “sex life” in their privacy policy. Oh, and six car companies say they can collect your “genetic information” or “genetic characteristics.”
• exabrial
  I still don't understand why this isn't treated as a national security threat. If X bad guy wanted to do devastating damage to the US Economy during a wartime situation, even a day "burb" in transportation would swing the tide of a war, let alone permanently disabling thousands of workers from getting to their jobs.Cell connected vehicles are unnecessary and a danger for so many reasons.
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  jryio
  Reminds me of Zed's setting { "disable_ai": true } [1]Glad it's an option be it for regulatory compliance, security, privacy, or any combination of the three.[1]: https://zed.dev/blog/disable-ai-features
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  jamilbk
  I remember yanking out the onstar unit in my 2015 silverado to physically disconnect the cell antenna. This was (is?) the only practical way to disable cellular in that vehicle.Kudos to Rivian for making this a supported user privacy feature.
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  janice1999
  Disabling internet connectivity disables lane keeping assistance. I wonder if this is a dark pattern to punish users who opt out or because they feel they need reports of crashes ahead to do it safely.
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  cantalopes
  Why cant users disable connectivity elsewhere other thsn canada? People are supposed to call their car dealer each time after car update before turning it off again? Seems to be a cheap pr stunt to portray canadian regulation in attempt to shed good light on rivian
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  Streamables
  On a single device or within a surrounding area like a walking EMP zone? now thatd be useful.
• girvo
  Amusingly, my Cupra Born has all its connectivity disabled... because Cupra Australia just didn't want to bring it to this country. Not a bad thing really, aside from the annoying red notification dot telling me I have no signal!
• ghssds
  alternatively, how old should the car be so i know there is no data being collected?
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  pokstad
  Show me where I can rip out the antennae/modem, otherwise you’re all talk.
• spl757
  in response to most of this thread, the answer is summed up in one word.greed
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  1970-01-01
  We all know selling your information to 3rd parties is a virtual goldmine. Either Rivian is doing much better than expected in the luxury space or they're unaware of the value of this data. There's no evidence of old fashioned goodwill here.
• Sophira
  In the UK, this URL simply redirects to the UK version of the homepage, sadly.For anyone in the same situation, https://web.archive.org/web/20260430234304/https://rivian.co... leads to the correct page.
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  VortexLain
  It would have been much better to be able to disable telemetry without losing basic functionality such as navigation and safety updates. Having to choose between being spied on and having no connectivity at all is a false dichotomy.
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  __fst__
  Are there any electric cars that don't need internet connectivity via wifi/esim at all? I'm looking for something really simple. A chassis, four wheels, an engine, airbags. Basically my current ICE car, just electric.
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  dlev_pika
  > limit or disable certain functionality in the vehicle (e.g., navigation, lane keeping assistance (…)Curious why lane keeping assistance would need to communicate externally. Isn’t all this processed in the vehicle?
• m463
  tesla let you do this too - they would pull the e-sim. They mentioned that wifi would automatically connect to tesla hotspots at the dealer.
• phil_kahrl
  Fisker launched that feature over a year ago
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  ibejoeb
  >For non-Canadian vehicles, you may reach out to Rivian Service to request that we disable the eSIM card in the vehicle through a service appointment.Why is that? I really don't want to bring it to the shop to turn off the radio. In Canada it's a toggle in the settings. Is there Canadian legislation mandating this or something?
• traderj0e
  Props to them. I'm holding onto an old car partially cause of this. Aside from semi theoretical problems like privacy and attack vectors, car tech is constantly annoying.
• sigmar
  Very tangentially related- Does Rivian put software licenses in the OS UI somewhere? Couldn't find it when I was playing with my friend's car. Seems odd if it is android-based...
• tzm
  Does it improve things or break things?
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  baggachipz
  This is the sign of a company who listens to their customers. They have received feedback saying some people don't want a connected car, so they make it an option.
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  skilning
  Why the hell would disabling internet connectivity disable lane-keeping assist? O.o
• h4kunamata
  Cars before the enshitification, already had tons of security issues, I remember watching a hacker stopping a BMW the reports was driving in the middle of the highway.This was decades and decades ago, imagine now??When I bought a 2025 Suzuki Jimny XL, I wanted a car, not a computer on wheels.- physical buttons everywhere- head unit is the only touch screen- Non-invasive safety features- No firmware update- No internet connection- No enshitificationIt is what cars used to be back in the day with minor modern touch like LED headlight. Its headlight does not have direct connection to the ECU.Toyota cars, especially the new ones can be stolen by breaking the headlight and using its harness to talk with the ECU. Virtually speaking, all Toyota cars are being stolen like hotcake in Australia.People buying these EVs do not understand how deep it goes buying a car you do not own.Testa has done this over and over, removed features from the car via OTA update. Car was never meant to be a computer on wheel.
• rubatuga
  Annoying how it doesn't disable the cell modem from registering to a network (in Canada). So no it doesn't provide any tracking protection. Or at least that is how it sounds.
• whichken
  If they can make it a toggle for Canadian vehicles, why do you need to schedule an appointment in the US? Obviously it's so they can try to talk you out of it, but c'mon, just give everyone a toggle.
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  WaxProlix
  It was expensive but every day I am happy with my Rivian purchase. Great to have a vehicle where the actual users are obviously thought of (contra for instance the cybertruck where some variety 'cool factor' was obviously prioritized, resulting in finger crunching hoods and such).
• bilsbie
  I wish Tesla did this.
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  amelius
  I just want to bring my own electronics.
• varenc
  > For non-Canadian vehicles, you may reach out to Rivian Service to request that we disable the eSIM card in the vehicle through a service appointment.I certainly appreciate that disabling network connectivity is even possible, but a bit scummy that non-Canadians have to make an in-person service appointment.Is there some Canadian law at play here that requires they permit Canadians to disable this easily from the GUI? Would love legislation like that in the US.
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  Svoka
  Reading comments, I expectantly see a lot of cheering for this step, with many calling for further measures. I understand that privacy features are important to some people, but I am not one of them.Can someone provide what needs these feature covers? Like, what are some reason to disable all internet connectivity?I am genuinely curious.
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  jmward01
  This is, in a word, crap. We give you a fake option to turn off data and make it egregious by killing features that shouldn't need it like lane keeping. How about instead a real privacy option that actually is true? 'Block identification'. 'disable sim when not in use'. 'no server side storage'. And, yes, do allow turning off all data and NOT from a service call, just a simple option. Also don't block features that clearly don't need that like lane following.Having ranted a bit though, in the world of car companies an official policy on how to turn data off is amazing. The bar is so low right now that it is crazy to think this terrible implementation riddled with dark patterns is a 'win'. These companies need to be shut down.
• livinglist
  I’m still very happy with my 2024 4Runner, one of the purchases I never regretted a single bit, I did have a Sony head unit installed for a larger screen with support of wireless Apple CarPlay, and that’s enough tech in a car for me. My wife keeps complaining about its lack of auto lane keeping but I’m ok with it bc I enjoy driving it.
• senectus1
  excellent.Hope to see more of this.
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  cyberax
  How about also adding Android Auto as well? Oh no, it'd take away their "control the user experience" power-tripping.
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  simpaticoder
  This is insufficient. There needs to be a physical button that either physically disconnects every antenna and/or de-powers the transceiver.
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  Cider9986
  >It sounds to me like this is more akin to the Cellular Data toggle on Android as opposed to Aeroplane mode. If that is the case, it will presumably not prevent your vehicle from connecting to cellular base stations, which means your vehicle will still be trackable by network operators.(https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/rivian-allows-you-to-dis...)