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• jbub
  https://archive.ph/vhTfm
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  scriptsmith
  If Chrome has the #optimization-guide-on-device-model and #prompt-api-for-gemini-nano flags enabled, either because it's part of some Origin Trial / Early Stable Release or something, then web pages will have access to the new Prompt API which allows any webpage to initiate the (one-time) download of the ~2.7 GiB CPU or ~4.0 GiB GPU model using LanguageModel.create()https://developer.chrome.com/docs/ai/prompt-apiWhen Chrome 148 releases tomorrow, this will be the default behaviour on desktop.To download, it should check for 22 GiB free disk space on the volume where your Chrome data dir is, and at least double the model size of free space in your tmp dir.
• semiquaver
  I’m not sure we have a name for it yet but this post is a clear example of the type of anti-ai-psychosis I’ve been seeing recently on the left. Anything about AI and these people start saying the most irrational and bizarre things. Chrome downloading a weights file onto your system is illegal because of the climate impact? What an absolute joke.
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  ben_w
  > Energy intensity of network data transfer: 0.06 kWh per GB, the mid-band of Pärssinen et al. (2018) "Environmental impact assessment of online advertising", Science of The Total Environment [14]. The paper reports a 0.04-0.10 kWh/GB range depending on the share of fixed-line vs mobile transfer and inclusion of end-user device energy. 0.06 is a defensible mid-point.2018? An estimate from 8 years ago is going to be off by a factor of 10 or so.Not sure you'd get far with the legal arguments unless you're actually a lawyer. Too easy to misunderstand the jargon (i.e. the same reason why it's dangerous to use an LLM as your lawyer).(As an aside, the whole thing reads to me like the style LLMs use; not saying for sure it was, just giving me those vibes).
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  doginasuit
  "Silently installs" is misleading. They are including a file in the package which is presumably related to the functionality of the software. I don't use chrome for a long list of reasons but it is not standard or expected to get consent for that.
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  toyg
  How hard would have been to add a simple message, warning people about it and offering to opt out? Most would have clicked OK without reading anyway, and Google could pretend they give a shit about users. Unless they expected blowback, and that kind of message is the "compromise" they want to eventually land on.
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  dotcoma
  Why use a browser from Google or Microsoft in 2026? Why in the world?
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  jacquesm
  Not on my devices. Auto update has been abused so often now that it is an embarrassment to the industry. Auto update should be for bug fixes and security issues only.
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  TheServitor
  Framing 4GB of data moving in a world of petabytes of traffic as a specific environmental disaster is kind of a stretch, regardless of whether we want the model.
• peterjmag
  Looks like the site's struggling to keep up with the traffic. A couple mirror links:https://web.archive.org/web/20260505052217/https://www.thatp...https://archive.ph/sM7O5 (missing images and styling, but the content all seems to be there)
• tdeck
  Somebody's promotion packet depended on pushing this through the approval process.
• flossly
  And that's why we have, promote, and (hopefully) all use Chromium on our Linuxes.Or Firefox of course.
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  jbverschoor
  And that will be 4GB per chrome instance I assume? (not profiles, instances) And what happens with each electron app if it uses chrome?languagemodel should be an OS service..
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  ponyous
  The site is currently unavailable 503 so I can't read it. But I wonder, what should you consent to? Every dependency? Every dependency above 1GB?
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  tim-projects
  I use brave. Firefox doesn't work in my qemu VM with (none pass through) hardware acceleration, it just crashes the VM.Brave has always just worked for me and seems light on memory usage. Dunno why anyone would use chrome.
• dwedge
  Man the longer all this crap goes on the more I realise Stallman was right
• pezgrande
  If anything I am glad a bit of shift to local llm's. Their gemma4 is pretty powerful for such small model so I guess that's what they are delivering.
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  bartread
  On one level, I can't figure out how bent out of shape to get over this (but read on). Software I use downloads updates all the time, adds new features all the time, and I mostly don't ask for any of it.So if you see this as just a new feature that provides some on-device AI, it's a bit, so what? A new feature? The last GT7 or Flight Sim patch was bigger than this, what's the big deal, etc.However, that's not really what's going on. It theory Chrome gives you a local LLM that can provide local AI powered features. In practice, everything gets sent to the cloud anyway so the local LLM seems mostly to exist as a disguise for that, which is shady AF.As others have pointed out, the solution is https://www.firefox.com/. And whilst it's been trendy on HN for several years to slag off Firefox and Mozilla, I went back to Firefox as my daily driver several years ago, and Chrome's high-handed enforcement of Manifest V3 extensions (meaning no full fat uBlock Origin) has only served to cement that decision.It's mostly been great. The only downside is that some sites don't work properly on Firefox, and I'm 99.999% sure that's not Firefox's fault.For example, Paypal's post-login verification step breaks so every time I want to buy something using Paypal I have to switch to Chrome. And, no, disabling uBlock Origin and other extensions on Paypal doesn't help - I've done this already. Seriously, Paypal, it's been months: will you please just fix signing in and paying on Firefox, please?And many sites will assume you're a bot first and ask questions later if you hit them with anything other than Chrome or Safari... which is also extremely lame and scummy.
• anon
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• kushalpatil07
  I was working on on-device AI for 3 years. This was the prime idea we were exploring, how can someone undercut the OS providers and ship an LLM that other apps can also use on-device. Like if meta decides to do this, it can serve an API to all mobile app companies for an on-device LLM long before the OS is there. This is Google's way of reaching LLM distribution on laptops, since they don't have their own
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  kasabali
  > The pattern was: install on user launch of product A, write configuration into the user's installs of products B, C, D, E, F, G, H without asking. Reach across vendor trust boundaries. No consent dialog. No opt-out UI. Re-installs itself if the user removes it manually, every time Claude Desktop is launched.God, I'm SICK of this AI slop style. After ingesting terabytes of pirated books you'd expect a little bit more variety in it's writing.
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  sigmoid10
  One upside to this is that it doesn't use Gemma and instead uses Gemini. So at least for Gemini Nano (apparently called XS internally by Google) it means that the weights are now de facto open and you no longer need a current Android phone to get the latest and best model in this class. This also makes it the only open American frontier-level model right now.
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  peterspath
  Good time to try Orion! https://orionbrowser.com
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  tzury
  Well, npm install … did worse
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  jve
  > At Chrome's scale, the climate bill for one model push, paid in atmospheric CO2 by the entire planet, is between six thousand and sixty thousand tonnes of CO2-equivalent emissions, depending on how many devices receive the push.Environmental analysis for operations? Not a fan of thinking in such terms.> For users on capped mobile data plans, particularly in regions where smartphone-as-only-internet is dominant (much of Africa, much of South and Southeast Asia, most of Latin America), 4 GB of unrequested download is on the order of a month's data allowance, vapourised by Chrome on the user's behalf. Google has not, to my knowledge, published any analysis of the welfare impact of this on the populations whose internet access is metered.THIS is a valid concern. Otherwise I'm not buying into "ask for consent because of dependency X". Users don't like questions/consents.However OS (at least windows) has an way to set network connection as a metered so software can make informed decisions. Also Android has "Data Saver" function which should also be honored by software.
• apexalpha
  I feel this is great in combination with an agent like OpenClaw or Hermes.
• farfatched
  If only Chrome had deferred implementing delta updates back in 2009 (?), they could have introduced it along with this to make it a net zero change!
• shevy-java
  Google abuses users.You can also ask why the US government fails to protect the users. Corporate dictatorship at its finest.
• kotaKat
  Why the hell can't this just be an extension in the first place? Why does it have to be bolted in by default? Why does Google and by extension its employees have this constant need to assault and violate me with this garbage?
• kshmir
  Besides the numbers being stupidly overblown, this post shows why Europe is in a unstoppable death spiral.
• ulfw
  I can't for the life of me understand how this browser has become the world's most used. It's literally from an ad company.
• nl
  I think this is a bad framing.Javascript running on a page can use a feature that requires a model to be downloaded.I have pages that use it, or other LLM models via LiteRT or HuggingFace transformers.js.I try to warn the user, but that is my responsibility as a page author. I like that this is enabling the web platform to remain competitive.The author is pulling a long bow by trying to claim this is some GDPR violation. Have they ever used the web? There are inefficient sites everywhere, with autoplaying video etc.4GB isn't nothing, but if a page wants to use it then hopefully it is useful to the user!
• DineshKruplani
  it's so absurd at this point. isn't chrome already so much abused.
• protocolture
  >Google Chrome silently installs a 4 GB AI model on your device without consent.Oh my god thats terrible I hope you continue this article in this mode and dont pivot to some unsubstantiated bs claim that makes absolutely no sense...>At a billion-device scale the climate costs are insane.sigh.Imagine if everyone on the planet start using a memory hogging, cpu chugging browser application what a terrible hazard that would be for the climate.Oh and it might have an AI component in it.This claim is worse than the AI in data centers boiling the earth claims.We can measure carbon released down to the watt. If you have an issue with people using power, shut up and talk to your government about carbon taxation/moving to alternative power sources. trying to shame some power users, quite arbitrarily isn't just senseless its self defeating. Its a measurement problem, the second people start getting shaky measurements of what their neighbors are doing, they start trying to shift the blame.
• TH3F4llen1
  That's crazy just another reason I've been degoogling my phone.
• skeledrew
  So typical. Just imagining the consequences for someone with chronically low disk space, like me. Luckily I'm a Firefox person, though I use Vivaldi now and then.
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  drcongo
  I can't read the article (503) but does anyone know why someone calling themselves thatprivacyguy is installing Google Chrome?
• Hamuko
  This has to be some kind of a limited rollout, since none of my machines have this AI model installed even when Chrome is updated to the latest version. No indication that anything is being downloaded, since after updating to the latest version of Chrome on this machine, I'm seeing <100 kB/s download speeds for the entire system.
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  PufPufPuf
  If only there was an orange canine coming to help us
• nsonha
  it also installs an entire remote desktop stack on your computer without consent, and video codecs, and pdf reader... what is new here?
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  cubefox
  I thought using local rather than cloud AI was pretty universally agreed to be good?
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  simianwords
  Sorry but the whole climate angle on this is extremely stupid and needs to be challenged. I have noticed this new phenomenon of people using climate as a trump card to oppose any thing they don’t like.The thing about these kind of arguments is that any economic activity or any sort of action involves some load on climate. The magnitudes are important.In this case: a single hamburger does the same amount of emissions as 50 such downloads. What’s really the point of this kind of virtue signalling?
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  flanked-evergl
  This is a bit disingenuous. If you install Chrome, you install Chrome and all it's parts. They don't ask your consent for individual parts because that would be absurd. If you don't want Chrome and all its parts, don't use it.
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  raverbashing
  "Oh but the climate costs" Who cares?Doing LLM locally is more climate efficient than doing in datacentersI stopped reading here because I know this is the ramblings of a whiny person that will contribute nothing, will solve nothing and is occupying space on the internet. Whatever is the climate cost of those kbytes of the page, it seems too much for me
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  walletdrainer
  > Google has not, to my knowledge, published any analysis of the welfare impact of this on the populations whose internet access is metered.This is satire, obviously.
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  lobito25
  Anyone, voluntarily installing a spy browser like Google Chrome on their devices, deserves this and much more.
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  derangedHorse
  Does anyone else find the writing in the article to be overdramatic? Including a 4gb is a negligible amount of space for current hardware and Chrome is not known as the browser to run on resource constrained devices. To put 4gb in context, I currently have 2 *tabs* open that nearly take up 4gb. The fact Chrome also has a way to disable this makes it kind of a nothingburger in my opinion.> The roughly 4 GB × N devices of disk-storage cost, sustained, on user hardware. SSDs have a per-GB embodied carbon cost of approximately 0.16 kg CO2e per GB of NAND manufactured [18]The estimated environmental aspect of the download also seems like an overblown point, noted for sensationalism. There are always hand-wavy numbers involved and I had to look no further than the quote above to find evidence of this. The reference for [18], "The dirty secret of SSDs: embodied carbon", incorrectly links to "Toward Carbon-Aware Networking" and makes no mention of the environmental cost of SSDs. After looking up "The Dirty Secret of SSDs: Embodied Carbon" myself, I was able to see the same methodologies as I was expecting used [1].> We conducted an analysis encompassing 94 Life Cycle Assessment (LCA) reports, which collectively quantify the embodied cost of SSDs. Owing to the scarcity of direct and up-to-date LCA studies focused specifically on SSDs. We compiled a dataset comprising LCA reports pertaining to Server, Workstation, Desktop, Laptop, and Chromebook products, all of which feature SSDsAll these studies rely on metrics extrapolated from layered assumptions and end up being used by those who try to use them as objective numbers.[1] https://arxiv.org/abs/2207.10793