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- tyingqThe abrupt swing in many non-technology company IT departments from "hey developer, you aren't using enough tokens" to this is just too funny.And I'm seeing almost no self-awareness from leaders. They are making decisions about things that they just don't understand. And are completely unworried about it. Just blindly following whatever the news cycle is about AI.
- amazingamazingAI is overhyped. I have yet to see an end user product that in itself isnt a wrapper around LLMs that is impressive created by LLM assistance. I have also yet to see dramatic increases of revenue of companies using LLMs that don't involve selling things in its supply chain. Is it a nice affordance? Sure. 1T capex good? No.If it was so good I would expect to see 2005-2015 advancements yearly.Meanwhile China is blowing past the world with real improvements in the real world- solar, EVs, etc. meanwhile people keep making their fancy sans serif websites about todo apps, faster than ever before. Useless.
- gonzalohmIn my opinion, the problem is not even the cost. The problem is that people are using AI for running recurrent stuff instead of writing code to automate it.For example. Imagine that you are comparing two documents (let's assume diff doesn't exist). You could ask an AI to compare the differences from you or you could use AI to write a tool to do it. For whatever reason, people are starting to go with the former not realizing that now they basically have to pay to compare documents.
- dgellowThe cost is a problem, but IMHO more important is delegating so much of your internal knowledge, thinking, and systems to a 3rd party.We are very close to the point where if Claude and ChatGPT APIs are down, companies cannot function. How is that introduced so quickly into so many critical places without taking that specific fact in consideration? What is the plan for all those companies whose workflows now depend heavily on a remote LLM whenever the services get cut? What if your company account gets banned?In some ways it is worth than depending on a company for hosting, because even your debugging tools are based on AI. MCP is great to go through datadog, sentry, until your agent or the MCP server are down and you don't know how to look for the issue yourself because you do not actually understand how your systems work.
- cs702There's an old saying, "in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king."Here we have the opposite: In the land of the one-eyed, the blind are leading.The blind in this case are all those executives and managers who don't understand much about AI's current potential and limitations, and so far have treated it like a magic button that will solve everything. The one-eyed are rank-and-file employees who maybe sort of know a little more about AI.
- 1970-01-01Would have been nice to see 'soaring costs' with numbers. WSJ could do better here. Hundreds of thousands of dollars a month is nothing compared to how much they take with better financial models.
- kermattMy org has a monthly team plan, and because I don't use what I would call unsupervised agents, I rarely come close to exceeding limits. I guess I am one of those "chat only users" that so many articles limit my output. A split terminal with Vim on the left snd Claude on the right has been a great combination. Neanderthalic AI.Personally I'd consider efficient and economical use of AI to be a key skill for a good developer. Using AI for everything at full throttle would appear to be a crutch. I wonder if this will eventually become a hiring criteria for companies without unlimited budgets (most of them).
- adam_ridaThis feels like the natural next phase.A lot of companies went from “use as much AI as possible” to suddenly realizing that not every call needs frontier-model intelligence. In production, many calls are just repeated classification, tagging, routing, extraction, etc.The interesting problem is not banning usage. It is figuring out which parts of the traffic are safe to handle cheaply, and which parts should still go to the expensive model.
- scronkfinkleOn the one hand, organizations are without question using LLM's well beyond what is actually necessary, and as reality kicks in they're forced to scale back accordingly. However at the same time, on intervals counted in months, we're seeing breakthroughs both in hardware and software that dramatically reduce the cost of inference.Between corporate FOMO and the rapidly decreasing costs of actually running LLM's I'm interested to see at which side of the spectrum these two meet
- UltraSaneThese articles are weird because rationing consumption based on price is one of the most fundamental concepts in economics.
- dangusI’ve seen comments on other threads on this subject the general idea that these article headlines are overstating the pullback from AI.In other words, the news cycle is looking for an AI story that lands with readers, and that the example of Uber blowing through its AI budget and Microsoft discontinuing use of Claude internally are not good indicators.I agree that those aren’t good indicators.However, at some point we have to remember that CEOs and boards of directors are just regular morons who read the news the same way everyone else does.At some point, if a lot of corporate leaders associate AI with mediocre results, high costs, and public backlash, they might just start saying “this juice isn’t worth the squeeze.”
- halamadridIs Anthropic rushing to an IPO because investors also fear it’s the peak? I guess it can grow even after the IPO but is there a fear that the spending will rationalize and hurt the valuations?Like a few other commenters, other than reasonably making a software developers work easier I haven’t seen a lot of value creation or revenue boost from AI. I know AI companies make money, but the companies consuming these services, are they meaningfully making a revenue to justify the continued spend?
- lumostThey are likely also starting to realize that the end result of their anthropic contract is that nobody but anthropic knows how to run their business. Why would anthropic not treat their business like a utility in the future?
- Majeh905Don't have a subscription to wsj.Only thing I can say AI was useful for, in a corporate environment, was learning a new coding language on the fly. Gives me a baseline to work off of and fix.But I can learn without it, too. A nice tool, but not a need.
- sbochinsThis phase that all these companies went through doesn’t seem that bad. Before these places had a big problem where all their employees didn’t understand how to us ai for their work. Now they’ve overspent and tokenmaxxed and haven’t seen much from it. The next phase is to set the goalpost lower and set quotas based on who uses ai more effectively. Eventually the folks that use it well and are productive will bring in roi. Then you can fire all the folks that aren’t using it effectively and replace them with people that know how to use it. We’re already starting to see this.
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- HavocCorporate or corporate in programming space?90%+ of corporate people are not programmers. 1 programmers can cause the same token damage with a bunch of concurrent agents as a couple thousand Karens in compliance asking a chatbot questionsIt's much easier to deliver incremental AI ROI on the later even if it's hard to measure/quantify. A 1000 tokens might point this compliance person in the right direction on a key problem. Meanwhile 1000 tokens doesn't get you anything useful on coding
- wg0The other day we (wrongly) concluded that product market fit has been achieved and now the rivers of hot molten milk chocolate and honey are all that's in the future etc.
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- OutOfHereTokenmaxxing is absurd. Using a fixed cost monthly plan seems sensible. Taking time to review the generated code is a good thing.
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- blitzarWhere is the tokenmaxxing chad / chadette that burnt a half a billion dollars in a single month?
- elevationAnother reason to favor using AI to build automation instead of relying on it in prod: the risk of war and global instability.If LLMs are genuinely helpful or even decisive in a military engagement, you can expect any host country to commandeer whatever data centers they need, leaving commercial entities to bid up the prices on the leftover capacity.Another risk is that data centers are a great target for cyber warfare.It’s ideal if your business can leverage LLMs when they’re online but continue to operate profitably when they’re offline.
- shaneweiAs a developer, I don’t think it’s just that costs are going up. I’m also seeing more people lately talk about “vibe slop”.
- marcosdumayThere's a paywall, but it's an interesting question how much of the recent explosion of the AI companies revenues is because of the explosion in prices, and how much their customers will accept the increased prices.
- throwatdem12311It will be interesting to see to see Anthropic’s “revenue bubble” pop as this happens. At least it should hopefully free up some capacity.
- yowo- Global economy on the verge of depression.- ChatGPT drops, AI is perfect to be our savior.- AI glorified as the great messiah.- Everyone worships stocks even remotely related to AI.- Execs desperate for relevance boast about tokenmaxxing.- SHTF- burst- last year flagship GPUs and DRAM are sold used for the price of a burger.- Laidoff people start using local AI as hardware price drops to make actual useful stuff- New round of bootstrapped tech bros that eventually give birth to the new metaverse/NFT/etc.. hype.
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- feverzsjLLM doesn't work, let alone profit.