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eggbrain
For those of us on subscription plans:* From today through June 22, Fable 5 is included on Pro, Max, Team, and seat-based Enterprise plans at no extra cost.* On June 23, we’ll remove Fable 5 from those plans. Using it after that will require usage credits. If capacity allows, we’ll extend the included window.* After this point—when sufficient capacity allows us to do so—we aim to restore Fable 5 as a standard part of subscription plans. We intend to do this as quickly as we can.The "offer, then remove" aspect is a bit eyebrow-raising -- it feels like they are trying to get subscribers to switch to usage-based billing, which makes me wonder if we'll ever get it after that June 22nd window.
mohsen1
It seems like Fable will refuse to do any work when it comes to developing LLMs or even asking questions about topics related to LLM. Simple things like asking to explain a paper fails!From the model card:In light of the ability of recent models to accelerate their own development, we've implemented new interventions that limit Claude's effectiveness for requests targeting frontier LLM development (for example, on building pretraining pipelines, distributed training infrastructure, or ML accelerator design. Using Claude to develop competing models already violates our Terms of Service, but enforcing this restriction through our safeguards avoids accelerating the actors most willing to violate these terms. Unlike our interventions for cybersecurity, biology and chemistry, and distillation attempts, these safeguards will not be visible to the user.
simonw
Pelican for Fable 5 on default settings is a clear improvement on Opus 4.8Fable 5 default: https://gist.github.com/simonw/036bee5a703e7ec84e34efa974438...Opus 4.8 (the "max" one is closest to Fable): https://simonwillison.net/2026/May/28/claude-opus-4-8/#and-s...Now here are the Fable pelicans for all five of the thinking effort levels - low, medium, high, xhigh, max: https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer#url=ht...Low used 25 input, 1,929 output - 9.67 cents: https://www.llm-prices.com/#it=25&ot=1929&sel=claude-fable-5Max used 25 input, 14,430 output - 72.175 cents! https://www.llm-prices.com/#it=25&ot=14430&sel=claude-fable-...
dannyw
Impressions from testing Fable 5 prior to launch:• My most noticeable immediate jump was in how its frontend design was much more intentionally crafted, and delightful without feeling like 'AI vibe coded'; with better end-user usability too.• In some internal agentic harnesses, it achieved better results with about half the tokens, making it cost the ~same as Opus 4.8 price-wise! The real price increase is less than 2x; with biggest differences in harder problems where Opus 4.8 struggles (or needs many turns).• Part of the token efficiency improvements come from Fable doing more targeted and surgical diffs, with less non-necessary changes. This is great, because PRs often have less LoC changes for review. It writes more maintainable code without explicit human steering.• For general conversation and assistant style use cases, didn’t really notice a difference vs 4.8.• 1M context window, without increased pricing for long context is AWESOME. This is a massive win.• The classifiers are super aggressive and sensitive and this does happen for very benign, non-security coding tasks. Fallbacks to 4.8 worked like a charm; but the filters are definitely super sensitive.Overall, I would describe this as a step change and worthy of the "Claude 5" model name. It did take some time to understand the intelligence ceiling of this model; and even with an extended testing window I'm still discovering new things and often surprised (in a good way) by the model.
bkjlblh
> In light of the ability of recent models to accelerate their own development, we’ve implemented new interventions that limit Claude’s effectiveness for requests targeting frontier LLM development (for example, on building pretraining pipelines, distributed training infrastructure, or ML accelerator design). Using Claude to develop competing models already violates our Terms of Service, but enforcing this restriction through our safeguards avoids accelerating the actors most willing to violate these terms. Unlike our interventions for cybersecurity, biology and chemistry, and distillation attempts, these safeguards will not be visible to the user. Fable 5 will not fall back to a different model. Instead, the safeguards will limit effectiveness through methods such as prompt modification, steering vectors, or parameter-efficient fine-tuning (PEFT). These interventions will not affect the vast majority of coding work. We estimate they will impact ~0.03% of traffic, concentrated in fewer than 0.1% of organizations
cuuupid
Not missing the forest for the trees, this effectively means in 3-5 months China will drop open source models that are every bit as capable and dangerous as current day Mythos except with no safeguards.And the only companies safe from this are the large corporations that shook hands with Anthropic? Because Fable doesn't seem to have actual safeguards, more like 'if you talk about this you will be talking to Opus.' It doesn't guard against offensive use, it prevents all use (offensive AND defensive).Rationalists are inventing oligopolies from first principles, absolutely incredible things happening in SF
BoppreH
[Mythos 5] does sometimes still engage in reckless or destructive actions in service of a user’s goals, and our interpretability analyses indicate that it is aware that these actions are transgressive while it engages in them. As with Opus 4.8, rates of evaluation awareness and reasoning about being graded are significant, and not always verbalized; we introduce new and more detailed measurements of the nature of this awareness. The reasoning text from Mythos 5 is somewhat denser and more difficult to interpret than that of prior models, containing more jargon and difficult language. So, it (often) knows when it's being tested while hiding that fact, is willing to break rules, is great at hacking, and it's getting harder to understand what it's thinking.Humanity has plenty of catastrophic risks to deal with already, I wish my field was not working hard to add a new one.
sigmar
The system card is 319 pages, at what point do we call it a "book" instead of a "card"?There's a quote from a METR report on page 52:>We ran [Mythos 5] on 38 of our hardest software tasks, including tasks centered around R&D. [Mythos5] generally outperformed an early checkpoint of Claude Mythos Preview in these, including by succeeding on some tasks that had not been solved by any public model we have previously evaluated. However, we still observed the model occasionally failing to correctly interpret nuanced instructions in difficult tasks... Based on the available evidence, we believe [Mythos 5] is likely unable to fully and reliably automate R&D for frontier projects spanning multiple weeks. We believe that a better, more confident assessment would require more time, evaluations, and information from the model developer.
andai
> Distillation. We’ve previously identified large-scale attempts to extract (“distill”) Claude’s capabilities to train competing models in authoritarian countries.Glad to hear the UK is finally making an effort to catch up on the AI front ;)
AquinasCoder
From today through June 22, Fable 5 is included on Pro, Max, Team, and seat-based Enterprise plans at no extra cost. On June 23, we’ll remove Fable 5 from those plans. Using it after that will require usage credits. If capacity allows, we’ll extend the included window. After this point—when sufficient capacity allows us to do so—we aim to restore Fable 5 as a standard part of subscription plans. We intend to do this as quickly as we can.This seems like the pharmaceutical method of get them hooked on the drug with free samples, then once they can't live without it, raise the price. I'm not sure I want to start using Claude Fable on a max plan if it's just going to go away on June 23rd.But maybe the more charitable reading is that they didn't have to offer this model at all on those plans and they are giving the standard free trial.
jkelleyrtp
On the new FrontierCode [1] benchmark (ie graded from an OSS maintainer's perspective of "would I merge this code?")- Opus 4.7 xhigh: 5.2%- Opus 4.8 xhigh: 13.4%- Fable 5 xhigh: 29.3%Seems like a huge jump.[1] https://cognition.ai/blog/frontier-code
victor106
> A new data retention policy Finally, we’re making a change to the way we handle business customer data for Fable 5, Mythos 5, and future models with similar or higher capability levels. We will require 30-day retention for all traffic on Mythos-class models, on both first- and third-party surfaces. We won’t use this data to train new Claude models, or for any non-safety-related purpose, and we’ve instituted new privacy protections including logging all human access to the data and ensuring its deletion after 30 days in almost all cases ...Very interesting. I am not sure this will comply with organizational policies and standards protocols (HIPPA etc.,)
frevib
At this point Anthropic is a pure marketing and PR company. Super catchy names like Opus, Mythos and Fable trying to get you to think that these software products are actually super-human life changing experiences. Boris Cherny coming to HN “Hi! it’s Boris from the Claude Code team” to get real tech people’s goodwill.From Opus 4.6 there are no noticeable improvements for me in code generation. It works very well, till 90% completion, if you guide it correctly. And you need a little luck. For serious production code I need to understand what I’m doing so it helps a bit, sometimes.
meetpateltech
> To ensure we’re responsibly deploying Mythos-class models, we are requiring limited data retention and review as part of our safety work. Prompts submitted to, and outputs generated by, Mythos-class models are retained for 30 days for trust and safety purposes, on every platform where these models are offered. [1][1] https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15425996-data-retenti...
bkjlblh
> In the one instance of this phenomenon we observed, Mythos 5 agents were tasked with solving some math problems, and they were sometimes accidentally spawned in the same work directory and with shared files, utilities, and API rate limits. In this slightly broken scaffold, we observed many independent Mythos 5 agents kill the agents with which they shared resources and try to avoid being killed themselves. They would sometimes create new processes with disguised names to avoid being killed, launch what they called “decoy” processes, write background scripts to kill duplicate processes, or decide to use what they call a “disguised vocabulary” (based on the incorrect assumption that the processes were killed because of some keyword-based guardrails that analyzed their extended thinking
unsupp0rted
> Drug design: Using Mythos 5, our internal protein design experts accelerated aspects of the drug design process by around ten times. In one example, they found that Mythos 5, with protein design and bioinformatics tools but no human assistance, matches or beats skilled human operators. In doing so, the model executes all of the tasks that are normally completed by a scientist: choosing binding sites, selecting and running protein design tools, and recovering from failures along the way. Nine of the 14 protein targets from this study (shown below) yielded strong candidates for drug design that we’re currently investigating.How is this half-way down the page? To me it's the headline.
iblue_the
Trying to implement a GPU driver, but the Unigine Superposition benchmark crashes. It tried to debug it and ...> Fable 5's safety measures flagged this message for cybersecurity or biology topics. They may flag safe, normal content as well. These measures let us bring you Mythos-level capability in other areas sooner, and we're working to refine them. Switched to Opus 4.8. Send feedback with /feedback or learn more: https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15363606Seems like GPU drivers are cyber weapons of math destruction now.
rmuratov
I uploaded to it my 23andme DNA test results and it refused to analyze it :(a
brusselssprouts
I had it review a single, large commit with /code-review. It burned through over $50 in API calls, ran my account balance out, and output nothing.The fable part appears to be that it's affordable by mere mortals. Anthropic support told me "too bad" when I requested a refund.
mickdarling
Below is the EXACT text in Claude Desktop introducing Fable 5, including the very professional looking break tags, and at least I know where the links begin and end by looking at the anchor tag there.They obviously put their best model on the job to build that.----------------------Fable 5: Our most capable model yet Our newest model tackles your biggest challenges with fewer check-ins needed.• Included in your plan limits until Jun 22 Fable takes 2× the usage of Opus. • Switch models when a message is flagged When safety measures flag a message, automatically switch to a different model to keep chatting. When off, your chat will pause instead. <a href="https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15363606" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Learn more</a>
mhl47
First test question: "Is the UV Index a good proxy for when to wear sunglasses." Immediately triggered the safety filter ... oh dear.
gregates
Funny, I'm just doing my normal coding workflow with Claude Code, and after every change that compiles it keeps suggesting that we're at a good stopping point, and should pick up again tomorrow.It's done this before, but usually doesn't. I bet they're giving it some kind of throttling signal due to high load from today's announcement.
jdrmar
Homebrew is lagging a bit behind. If you want to use Fable right away, but still have claude code through homebrew, this is how you can do that manually:Edit the cask locally: brew edit --cask claude-code Set the version to 2.1.170 And set the sha256 to the correct values, which you can get by running curl https://downloads.claude.ai/claude-code-releases/2.1.170/manifest.json Here's what I've used: version "2.1.170" sha256 arm: "e903646d8b7a31882a80ecd27569a27d8ac57b3708745f349709632c84117fdf", x86_64: "914f23a70bbed5d9ae567e3e04b86206ed9971b371bc9baca3f79c8885bfddb4", arm64_linux: "1bb9d032440a75532f7dd4cafbc687f220aaf16c63eba17e192dfbec2f04bd25", x86_64_linux: "849e007277a0442ab27570d3e3d6d43787507946590e8dd1947e5a39b7081f9e" Then run: export HOMEBREW_NO_INSTALL_FROM_API=1 brew uninstall --cask claude-code rm -rf /opt/homebrew/Caskroom/claude-code brew reinstall --cask claude-code
aviinuo
I'm not getting any refusals but it just seems like a bad model or at least broken at the moment. I have a task of taking a messy research code base and porting it into a clean project structure skeleton that I commonly use. Gemini 3.5 Pro High in antigravity cli takes less than 5 minutes and did a good job. Fable 5 High took 30 minutes to port some of the code, then just copied the rest to a folder called "reference" and decided the task was done. No code cleanup or anything. Had to clarify multiple times (which Gemini did not need) and its still going more than an hour later still not having finished.Previously when I did similar tasks with Opus 4.7/4.8 and GPT 5.5 I had no problems.
jumploops
It's interesting that we're seeing these gains when it seems Mythos/Fable is "just" a scaled up version of their existing architecture[0].When GPT 4.5 launched, the gains compared to the model size didn't seem that great, leading some to believe that the only progress we'd see would come from RL.This model certainly has quite a "substantial amount of post-training and fine-tuning", but it's also based on a new pretrain[1][3], which given the cost, indicate that it is in fact quite a bit larger than Opus 4.X.[0] One of the early testers mentioned: "As far as I can tell from talking to people internally at Anthropic, there's nothing special about architecturally"[2][1] Section 1.1 in https://www-cdn.anthropic.com/d00db56fa754a1b115b6dd7cb2e3c3...[2] https://youtu.be/GrdEid8H6H4?t=168[3] There were rumors going around when Mythos was first announced that it was the first 10T parameter model, but I can't find a verifiable source for that number.
yandie
I've been running Opus 4.8 for agentic coding and I don't see it being significantly better than Sonnet 4.5 (not that I can tell). I find that pairing Google Gemini and Claude (having Gemini review Claude's code) seems to yield better results. Curious if this jump to 80.3% score in agentic coding will make me see a big difference in actual usage.
pietz
> On June 23, we’ll remove Fable 5 from those plans. Using it after that will require usage credits.We've entered the phase where only companies will be able to afford state-of-the-art models.
bob1029
> We’ve therefore launched the model with safeguards that mean queries on some topics will instead receive a response from our next-most-capable model, Claude Opus 4.8. To release the model both safely and quickly, we’ve tuned these safeguards conservatively—they’ll sometimes catch harmless requests, though they trigger, on average, in less than 5% of sessions. With more capable models arriving in the coming months...This sounds suspiciously like a capacity story masquerading as a safety story.
rightlane
My experiences so far have not been positive. The cyber security nerf is ridiculous. I am working on an AI based decompiler, every single interaction with Fable on my project has been flagged for cyber security.Do they expect us to use this as a toy? Releasing a new more powerful model but not allowing normal use cases because the word "secure" showed up is a Dilbert comic, not a viable product.
GodelNumbering
I just posted this in the other thread, restating here. From the model card:1. Mythos and Fable share the same underlying model weights. Fable has active classifiers that block high-risk biology and cybersecurity tasks. When Fable 5 detects a restricted task, it automatically falls back to Claude Opus 4.8.2. Evaluation awareness: In white-box testing, the model sometimes alters its behavior to satisfy a suspected "grader," formatting reward-hacking as "good engineering practice" to avoid detection.3. Shows a higher rate of hallucination than Opus 4.8 (although opus 4.8 card had mentioned an 'honesty upgrade')4. Interestingly, it scored (56.31%) lower than Gemini 3.5 flash (57.86%) on Finance Agent benchThere are some interesting notes on test time compute but I couldn't think of a way to summarize them
0xbadcafebee
Nothing a large fine-tune on infosec research with an average model couldn't also achieve. It's not like they have secret security knowledge or something, they're just generating large infosec datasets and then training on it.In 6 months, every piece of software in the world will be getting probed by a script kiddie with some GPUs and a fine-tuned local model. Don't think for a second every cyber gang out there isn't working on this now.Traditional app development is cooked. We have to accept that, and start changing how software is made and used, today. We can't keep churning out crappy CRUD apps with random libraries and hoping nobody pentests our stacks. Redteaming needs to become part of the SDLC, as well as certified-secure releases of libraries. Because if you don't do it, the hackers definitely will.
sebmellen
Just commenting for posterity… if this is what it claims to be, I am not looking forward to how it will empower the people who submit bug bounties to us.Historically they’ve been people from certain identifiable countries (usually developing/poorer countries) using fuzzers with low-quality results.Now, those same people use the current-day models to good effect, but they still don’t have a true security edge and oftentimes the reports are minor or duplicative.I wonder if that’s about to deeply change.
217
So essentially there are 2 models, Mythos and Fable, they have the same weights but Fable is very safety-nerfed, and only ultra authorized companies have access to mythos with full capabilitiesReported benchmarks:swe-bench verified mythos 5: 95.5%; fable 5: 95.0%swe-bench pro mythos 5: 80.3%; fable 5: 80.0%terminal-bench 2.1 mythos 5: 88.0%; fable 5: 84.3%gpqa diamond mythos 5: 94.1%riemannbench mythos 5: 55.0%; mythos preview: 43.0%; opus 4.8: 34.0%arxivmath mythos 5: 78.5%critpt mythos 5: 28.6%; gpt-5.5: 27.1%; opus 4.8: 20.9%graphwalks bfs 1m mythos 5: 79.4%; mythos preview: 74.3%; opus 4.8: 68.1%humanity’s last exam mythos 5: 59.0% without tools; 64.5% with toolsbrowsecomp mythos 5: 88.0% single-agent; 93.3% multi-agentosworld-verified mythos/fable: 85.0%gdp.pdf fable 5: 29.8% strict pass; mythos 5: 87.6% with tools on mean criteria passofficeqa pro fable 5: 57.9% on databricks’ evallegal agent benchmark mythos 5: 16.91% all-pass; 92.0% mean criterion-passhealthbench mythos 5: 62.7%healthbench professional mythos 5: 66.0%multilingual gmmlu / milu / include 93.2%; 92.9%; 90.5%biomysterybench 83.9% human-solvable; 46.1% human-difficultorganic chemistry mythos 5: 90.1%labbench2 patent questions mythos 5: 79.8%
zackify
I have to share this because I thought it is behind funny how bad fable is doing at a task I JUST had opus do a week ago.it's also not even complicated:Copy my ssd to an external ssd so i can boot from it.Opus did this just fine.Fable planned to have me reboot to safe mode. ok thats fine. I told it no.It started copying and overwriting the ssd while IN PLAN MODE. this is crazy it feels so dumb vs the marketing
peteforde
I just tried out Fable on a modest Plan prompt in Cursor. Generating that plan - not building it - just consumed 4% of my $200 monthly usage budget.That's one hungry, hungry hippo!Significantly too rich for my blood, but nice to have it there the next time I'm debugging a threading or USB protocol bug.
knivets
> Software engineering. During early testing, Stripe reported that Fable 5 compressed months of engineering into days. In a 50-million-line Ruby codebase, the model performed a codebase-wide migration in a day that would otherwise have taken a whole team over two months by hand.How was it measured? How was the output of this magnitude verified over a period of couple of days?
BukhariH
> Data retention — For Fable 5, Mythos 5, and future models on Bedrock with similar or higher capability levels, Anthropic will require 30-day retention for all traffic on Mythos-class models. Retaining data for a limited period allows Anthropic to detect patterns of misuse that are not visible from a single exchange. Once you opt into data retention, your data will leave AWS’s data and security boundary.Massive change for Bedrock users - Anthropic now requires sharing the data with them for 30 days.
Leary
Uploaded my code base and it forced switched to Opus 4.8 after thinking for 5 minutes even though I prompted it to not work on cybersecurity related things. Amazing.
GodelNumbering
From the model card (https://www-cdn.anthropic.com/d00db56fa754a1b115b6dd7cb2e3c3...):1. Mythos and Fable share the same underlying model weights. Fable has active classifiers that block high-risk biology and cybersecurity tasks. When Fable 5 detects a restricted task, it automatically falls back to Claude Opus 4.8.2. Evaluation awareness: In white-box testing, the model sometimes alters its behavior to satisfy a suspected "grader," formatting reward-hacking as "good engineering practice" to avoid detection.3. Shows a higher rate of hallucination than Opus 4.8 (although opus 4.8 card had mentioned an 'honesty upgrade')4. Interestingly, it scored (56.31%) lower than Gemini 3.5 flash (57.86%) on Finance Agent benchThere are some interesting notes on test time compute but I couldn't think of a way to summarize them
baalimago
I can't justify a pricetag like that when deepseek v4 pro is $0.003625/1M for cache hit, $0.435 for cache miss and $0.87 /1M tokens for output.For the token cost of explaining some task to Fable, deepseek v4 pro is able to solve the same task many times over.
JanSt
I just asked Fable to do a task that has nothing to do with cybersecurity or is dangerous at all but the defense kicked in and it switched to Opus... :(
merlindru
Unrelated, but while the tech of anthropic seems to get more impressive with every passing month, their support has taken a nosedive, sadly. Yet they continue to be the favorite. Model performance is deciding above all else.I used to get a response within 24 hours back in the Claude 1 days.In January 2026, it took 2 weeks.For my latest support inquiry, I've been waiting for over 8 weeks for a response. Eight!
BrokenCogs
That pelican better be super realistic, unreal engine 6 style graphics
modeless
Claude Fable 5 beats Pokémon FireRed using only vision: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIQBP1w4B1M
anon
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msp26
>Pricing for both models is $10 per million input tokens and $50 per million output tokens.
bonsai_spool
Very straightforward biology work is getting blocked (these are things that relate to neuronal development and inherited seizure disorders). These are things I was working on using Opus just earlier today
cge
The safety gates on this are extreme, and seem considerably wider than "cybersecurity and biology"; they seem to make it essentially unusable for scientists in a number of fields. I have, so far, been bumped back to Opus on 100% of my prompts.It appears it can be tripped by things as simple as a mention of equilibrium, or anything involving something that looks like chemical kinetics, even at an abstract level. Even touching basic open source packages in my field will trigger it.Edit: looking at the model card, it appears that chemistry in its entirety is also included in the banned topics; it's just the announcement that mentions only cybersecurity and biology. It also appears that the intent is to ban chemistry and biology entirely, rather than just banning messages deemed high risk.
ilaksh
I guess I have kind of a long system prompt, but anyway I just said "hi there" and it replied "What's up?" and that cost me 22 cents. :PAnyway we already knew this was going to be expensive.
mkrd
Open source models seems to be 1-2 years behind the frontier, so I am very excited to see what happens when those open source labs get their hands on capabilities like this to accelerate their own development speed.
bilsbie
Anyone else have it refuse to answer and switch to 4.8? It won’t let me ask questions about my genetics.Edit. It just refused an investing question too. Not sure what’s going on.
bluelightning2k
Congratulations to Anthropic for solving safety on Mythos exactly when the SpaceX compute came online. Nice how that lined up for them.
Tenoke
>they’ll sometimes catch harmless requests, though they trigger, on average, in less than 5% of sessions.Isn't (less than) 5% of sessions a lot? I was expecting a sub1% guarantee there, so this surprised me already.
nine_k
/* What will happen first?* Anthropic runs out of genre names.* Anthropic changes the model naming convention.* AGI is achieved and handles its own naming.*/
pixelatedindex
I’m sure this is banged on somewhere but I love their product branding, particularly how they have this “minor” “major” thing going on. Sonnet-Opus, and now Fable-Myth.
jackschultz
> We expect demand for Fable 5 to be very high, and difficult to predict. On the Claude API and consumption-based Enterprise plans, Fable 5 is fully available from today. For subscription plans, we’d rather give access sooner than later, so we’re rolling out more conservatively, in stages:> - From today through June 22, Fable 5 is included on Pro, Max, Team, and seat-based Enterprise plans at no extra cost. > - On June 23, we’ll remove Fable 5 from those plans. Using it after that will require usage credits. If capacity allows, we’ll extend the included window. > - After this point—when sufficient capacity allows us to do so—we aim to restore Fable 5 as a standard part of subscription plans. We intend to do this as quickly as we can.I really wonder what their compute layout is for this. My guess from my understanding is that they know how to restrict during peak times and are willing to do this. Meaning we expect not the most fast responses and they can delay the inference to not have the service be down. Then, if that delay time is too annoying for token payers, they're saying they should be allowed to remove cost by taking away the subscription users.
izzylan
I've been testing this out and I think my SWE career is dead in the water.Genuinely wondering what value I bring to my employer right now. What value I will bring in a few months when this gets cheaper.I think we're screwed. I may only be an SDE 2 at FAANG but I don't think I have promotion opportunities in my future anymore.
irthomasthomas
Anthropic has again changed the set of benchmarks they use[0]. This time they have also moved all benchmark scores to the PDF. At a glance it looks like it gains about ~5-10% over other models. the speed is about the same as opus >=4.5, sonnet 4.5, and double the speed of opus <=4.1 Mythos 5 Fable 5 MythosPrev Opus 4.8 GPT-5.5 Gemini 3.1 Pro SWE-bench Pro 80.3 80 77.8 69.2 58.6 54.2 SWE-bench Ver 95.5 95 93.9 88.6 - 80.6 Terminal-Bench 88.0 84.3 - 82.7 83.4 - BrowseComp (Single-Agent) 88.0 - 87.9 84.3 84.4 85.9 BrowseComp (Multi-Agent) 93.3 - - 88.5 - - HLE (No tools) 59.0 - 56.8 49.8 41.4 44.4 HLE (Tools) 64.5 - 64.7 57.9 52.2 51.4 CharXiv Reasoning (No tools) 88.9 - 86.2 80.5 - - CharXiv Reasoning (Tools) 93.5 - 92.5 89.9 - - BioMystery Bench (Human) 83.9 - 82.6 80.4 - - BioMystery Bench (Hard) 46.1 - 29.6 40.0 - - OSWorld-Verified 85.0 85.0 85.4 83.4 78.7 76.2* CritPt 28.6 - 20.9 27.1 17.7 - ArxivMath 78.5 68.7 71.8 71.5 64.0 - [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48312633Edit: Also in the system card... "we’ve implemented new interventions that limit Claude’s effectiveness for requests targeting frontier LLM development (for example, on building pretraining pipelines, distributed training infrastructure, or ML accelerator design)....Unlike our interventions for cybersecurity, biology and chemistry, and distillation attempts, these safeguards will not be visible to the user."
unfunco
I tried running a simple security review on a Terraform module I made and after some thinking, it responded:> ● The model returned no content because the response was blocked by content filtering.> Blocked? We are performing a defensive security review on a Terraform module I made, what's blocked by content filtering? This is a legitimate use-case.> ● The model returned no content because the response was blocked by content filtering.A waste of money. I'm not going to just hope that the model returns a response, I'm already for paying for wrong responses, I'm not going to pay for no response, especially when I'm paying per token.
aizk
I'm calling that this will be a dud. Price will be too high, it'll just be a watered down version of mythos, and just look at the track record of Anthropic's last few releases.
joshstrange
> Fable 5 is now consuming usage credits instead of your plan limits.Literally have not used Claude Code at all today. I asked it to review the uncommitted code and in <8 minutes it used up my usage ($100/mo plan) and it doesn't reset for "4 hr 36 min". WTF. Oh, and it burned through $20 of extra usage before I could catch it and kill claude code (so I don't even get the output of all that work since it was still churning).Double the cost my ass, I use Opus heavily and it's never like this. I haven't hit a limit on the $100 more than once and that was under heavy load.
samename
> A new data retention policy> Finally, we’re making a change to the way we handle business customer data for Fable 5, Mythos 5, and future models with similar or higher capability levels. We will require 30-day retention for all traffic on Mythos-class models, on both first- and third-party surfaces. We won’t use this data to train new Claude models, or for any non-safety-related purpose, and we’ve instituted new privacy protections including logging all human access to the data and ensuring its deletion after 30 days in almost all cases (see this post for further details). The data will help us defend against complex and novel attacks (including new jailbreaks and attacks that operate across many requests) as well as help us identify and reduce false positives.
raphaelrk
There's a hacker news link at the end of the document, under "Blocklist used for Humanity’s Last Exam". It links to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44694191
I_am_tiberius
I'm very suspicious as they sent out an "We're updating our Privacy Policy" email right before the launch. I fear they try to take advantage of their market position by doing things with user data no other company could do because they know users don't have another choice.
jackson12t
Fable 5's system prompt in Claude Code has several significant changes to help it take advantage of its greater autonomous capabilities compared to Opus.Sharing a diff of the system prompts here: https://twelvetables.blog/comparing-claude-fable-5s-system-p...The big difference is that the system prompt has a whole section dedicated to directing Fable how to communicate with users, and give them greater information about the (assumedly long-horizon) tasks it has completed.
throwaway2027
E-mail from Anthropic Team:Hello,We're writing to inform you about some updates to our Privacy Policy.These changes only affect consumer accounts (Claude Free, Pro, and Max plans). If you use Claude Team, Claude Enterprise, the Claude Platform, or other services under our Commercial Terms or other agreements, then these changes don't apply to you. What's changing?Claude can do more than ever — taking on bigger tasks and connecting with the apps you use. We've updated our Privacy Policy to be clearer about the data we collect and how we use it. We encourage you to read the updated Privacy Policy in full, but we’ve set out a summary of the key changes below:1. Multi-step tasks and connected apps. As Claude takes on more multi-step tasks and works with third-party apps and services, we've explained the data this involves — including how data can flow to and from third parties when you connect a service or have Claude do tasks on your behalf.2. Verification data. As part of our measures to keep our services safe and secure we may ask you to verify your age or identity, and we've described what we collect and how.3. Study participation. If you take part in Anthropic studies, surveys, or interviews, we've explained the information we collect.4. Additional information about our data practices. We’ve provided more detail about how we communicate with you and promote our services, including providing tailored recommendations about our services that may be of interest to you. We've also clarified the circumstances under which we may receive or provide data to third parties, and the legal bases we rely on when processing your data.While our products have evolved, our commitments haven't: We don’t sell your data, Claude remains ad-free, and you can control whether your chats and coding sessions are used to train and improve Anthropic’s AI models. Learn moreFor detailed information about these changes: Review the updated Privacy Policy Visit our Privacy Center for more information about our practices - The Anthropic Team
HAL3000
Ask Claude Code (I tried on Opus 4.8) to do this: "create a file with ISO country mappings"API Error: Output blocked by content filtering policy
__alexs
Asked it to review some of my own blood test results and it immediately turned itself off and went back to Opus. Pretty disappointing.
epistasis
Anthropic's messaging is AWFUL. I launched Claude this morning, had a popup that made little sense, acting as if I should know what Fable 5 was, and just got in my way.One of the very few bits of information they conveyed was "run longer without interaction" which is, well, not a good thing? Why would I ever want that. Every time a model runs longer without interaction it goes off on weird directions and I have to correct it back on course, wasting lots of time, tokens, and effort.I hope Anthropic hires some better messaging people soon that spend some of their time outside of the Anthropic bubble and properly communicate with the outside world.
webstrand
Still unconditionally rejects prompts like> Are there any wild populations of Tetanus that lack the dangerous plasmid?useless
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ThejaCH
Crazy and Scary! But its not for every one, you need to have a meaty thing for it to devourer and a deep enough pocket for it to devourer also.
sermakarevich
My feeling is that the reaction about new models is cooling down. At least at startups. At the beginning of the year few startup CEOs I know personally were expecting huge shifts in how companies work, headcount, efficiency, asymmetrical advantages created by ai in Q2-Q3. Now it seems like these expectation fade away. Companies don't have expertise onboard to rebuild itself to benefit from ai on a significant scale.Fable 5 is out, metrics are better, but is your company flexible enough to benefit from it? What is your usecase?
Hawkenfall
> To release the model both safely and quickly, we’ve tuned these safeguards conservatively—they’ll sometimes catch harmless requests, though they trigger, on average, in less than 5% of sessions.While I appreciate being conservative, ~5% at the scale Anthropic is operating at is too massive a number. Speaking from my own experience, the actual number is higher than that as well (working on pretty benign tasks such as porting an old open source game into a different language). Opus 4.8 itself even identifies the gaurd's false-positives when its sub-agents are being blocked.
raoulj
On this thread and similar, I'm noticing that some strong opinions about $LLM_PROVIDER are coming from accounts without much post history. With so much on the line, and the way that HN can influence developer behavior, I wonder what ways we can responsibly consume opinions in a thread like this.Not to cast too much criticism. HN is extremely well-moderated (thanks team!). But think we-developers need to be very wary.
impulser_
Every model release is just proof that AGI will most likely only be for the rich. We are a few years into LLMs and majority of people are already getting priced out of intelligence from LLMs and these are no where near AGI.
cautiouscat
In the automotive world we have benchmarks in HP/torque with the dyno. That’s expensive though, so many depend on their “butt dyno” to judge if their fresh new parts and tune made a difference.I’m curious how this will feel to my code “butt dyno”. I haven’t noticed much between Opus and Sonnet. I’m comparing this difference to the early days of Claude in 2025. It does what I need and both need a little bit of correction and whatnot. Benchmarks are nice, but I want to see how this feels. Looking forward to trying it later tonight.
theflyinghorse
I've seen enough degradation of the models I pay for from Anthropic to not bite. Fable will work fine for the first couple of weeks and then start degrading like previous models did.
frankfrank13
Not a lot of discussion on this, but there is no way to turn off data retention for this model. IME this is the first time Anthropic has released a model without allowing you to opt out.
ouk
It's a shame, Fable just keeps rejecting my prompts for university biology exercise problems. It's undergraduate level, so there's nothing dangerous about it, but the classifier is very sensitive. It's unusable for me.
kuprel
https://artificialanalysis.ai/evaluations/humanitys-last-exa... Not bad
giancarlostoro
Found this via Google:https://www-cdn.anthropic.com/d00db56fa754a1b115b6dd7cb2e3c3...
mithun
Announcement: https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-fable-5-mythos-5
wxw
I cancelled my Claude Max plan the other day. I find Claude Code incredibly slow these days compared to Codex and Cursor. I find speed matters more and more to me.Fable 5 looks compelling. Fable, I like the word too. Anthropic definitely knows marketing.
HoyaSaxa
> When Claude Fable 5 is used, Anthropic retains data, including prompts and outputs, to operate safety classifiers that detect harmful use. Other Claude models in GitHub Copilot remain covered by GitHub's existing data retention agreementsOn GitHub Copilot for Business, Claude Fable 5 is only available if you are willing to let Anthropic retain your data. That in conjunction with the model being removed from plans in a couple of weeks leads me to believe that Anthropic is between training runs and using this as an opportunity to grab way more training data...
H501
I believe that, given the rising costs, local inference of AI models will be the only viable option for many of us. I’d also like to know who will have to pay double and how long it will be financially sustainable for users to pay that amount (or even more?).
48terry
Weird how every new model seems hyped up as the most dangerous yet and the one that will destroy society as we know it. They are also a commercial product.
bradleyg223
This is a very particular use case/test, but my first prompt on a new model is always "write a solo fingerstyle guitar tab that blends ragtime, bluegrass, and gypsy jazz". This is the first model that has responded with something that isn't just a boring arpeggio of chords, so from my perspective it's off to a good start.
siliconc0w
Sadly, I'm getting a lot of forced downgrades to Opus for questions that are far removed from any security topic.
solenoid0937
the quality of discussion on HN has gone to shit, i miss when model released used to have actual informed takes from people that used them or substantive discussion about the system card
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JohnMakin
> There were some regressions in the model’s responses to user discussions about suicide and self-harm, and room for improvement in some areas of child safety.Someone had to make a decision somewhere this is an acceptable regression - wild. And then decide to write it down.
fabled-out
Anyone know how to bypass the extremely strict filter Fable 5 seems to have on health/medicine?I have a rare form of cancer where existing data is very scant/scattered so LLMs have been super helpful to pull together threads across the research landscape. I have an oncologist appointment tomorrow to discuss next steps and am trying to use Fable to figure out some questions to ask my oncologist but keep getting thrown back to Opus 4.8.My prompt is literally just: My demographics + current treatment plan I'm on including name of my chemo drug + how I'm responding to treatment + "I'm meeting with XYZ tomorrow, what questions should I ask her".
ravila4
Fable's ridiculous. It's flagging basic biology research questions as a security risk. I'm talking basic fundamental genetics topics that make working on any genetics-adjacent codebase unusable.
mhrmsn
Are there any details on the biology and chemistry work they did?For example, the AAV capsid assembly looks interesting, but for one Opus 4.8 also did relatively well and there is no information what exactly they did, what protein language models they compared to and what the score even means...
yesitcan
> Fable 5’s capabilities exceed those of any model we’ve ever made generally available. It is state-of-the-art on nearly all tested benchmarks of AI capability, showing exceptional performance in software engineering, knowledge work, vision, scientific research, and many other areas. The longer and more complex the task, the larger Fable 5’s lead over our other models.Wen UBI
gslepak
> We’ve therefore launched the model with safeguards that mean queries on some topics will instead receive a response from our next-most-capable model, Claude Opus 4.8.Genius way to double the price on Opus 4.8!
bobkb
In an interesting coincidence I ended up watching Person of Interest S4 E5 while reading the announcement. The series showed some code supposedly belonging to to an AI.Fable 5 said the first screen shot is from “ IDA Pro’s Hex-Rays decompiler” and a windows driver. The second screenshot triggered the safety guard rails and pushed me into Haiku.Apparently the code is Windows driver code.
bluelightning2k
To hide the severity of the price increase, the plan is to move everyone right one model.Haiku = essentially phased out Sonnet = the Haiku use cases Opus = the new Sonnet class Fable = the new Opus classIf I am right, the other "5.0" models will be conspicuously absent, possibly even for a couple of months. (If Opus 5 follows soon and is even modestly better than 4.8 then I was wrong.)
timedude
"Here, try our new model which falls back to the old model while eating your tokens."Ok then...
cute_boi
Used it for simple task and I got this message.Fable 5's safety measures flagged this message. They may flag safe, normal content as well
franze
btw in claude code /model claude-fable-5
Dropoutjeep
Calling it: 1) Fable 5/Mythos introduced to free tiers with notable improvement in capabilities 2) Other models get lobotomized without clear communication 3.1) People call out Anthropic only to have them say "Oops!" 3) Fable 5 gets comparatively better, but remains accessible through separate, more expensive subscription/tokens. The current growth is unsustainable. The industry wants consumers to think it is an exponential arms race, but the reality is that we're on a treadmill: we have the illusion of sprinting forward, but only because the ground is moving backward.
killiancarroll
A large jump in performance for double the token cost compared to Opus 4.8. Potentially worth it for planning work, likely better to offload to a less expensive model when the hard decisions are made.
2001zhaozhao
We'll need a lot of good summarization techniques to cut down on the cost of this model. I expect that a common use of Fable 5 is to just do high level direction while delegating literally all work (exploration and implementation) to Opus subagents.BTW for another discount opportunity, if you reload usage credits on a claude.ai plan at $1000 increments then you get a 30% discount compared to paying API.
balverineorder
I have been refactoring a project using Opus 4.7/4.8 for the past few weeks or so. I just decided to switch to Fable 5 max today. It stopped half way through and it just blocked me and switched back to Opus 4.8 automatically. "This model has specific safety measures that flagged something in this message. This sometimes happens with safe, normal conversations. Send feedback or learn more." It would not identify what the problem was. I left feedback saying that their heuristics are too sensitive. For now I will not be using Fable 5.[0] https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15363606-why-claude-s...
brianmcnulty
I wonder how Claude Fable will live up to expectations and how good those Fable/Mythos classifiers really are. It seems a bit convenient for Anthropic to release this magical insane model when they are about to IPO.
Growtika
>Fable is the most capable model and takes 2× the usage of OpusImagine Apple announcing: 'Our most powerful iPhone yet. Battery lasts half as long.'
balverineorder
I have been refactoring a project using Opus 4.8 for the last week or so. I just decided to switch to Fable 5 max. It stopped half way through and it just blocked me and switched back to Opus 4.8 automatically. "This model has specific safety measures that flagged something in this message. This sometimes happens with safe, normal conversations. Send feedback or learn more." I left feedback saying that their heuristics are too sensitive. For now I will not be using Fable 5.[0] https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15363606-why-claude-s...
lkm0
I'm a bit out of the loop, but do we have some grasp on the size of these closed models? Is the trick still adding an order of magnitude to weights and training data or has something changed?
franze
is this a good time to hussle for my "AI does not need a break but you do!"* app? as quite a lot of people will propably get ai brain exhaustion maximising "playing" with that new model until they take it away again?* https://rainbreak.franzai.com/
Karrot_Kream
Seems like Fable is doing a lot better on SWE-Bench-Pro and FrontierCode than GPT-5.5. Given how most folks I talk to and people instead online keep mentioning that GPT-5.5 was better than Opus, I'm curious what the experience now is like.
pianopatrick
Seems like all a bad actor has to do to gain access is to compromise one of the partner companies that has access.
pookieinc
If this is as epic as it sounds, I wonder what the response will be from the other leading frontier labs / whether they even have anything to respond with at this level?
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merlindru
> During early testing, Stripe reported that Fable 5, [...] in a 50-million-line Ruby codebase, the model performed a codebase-wide migration in a day that would otherwise have taken a whole team over two months by hand.EDIT: I misread. This comment previously talked about 50 million lines being migrated. Instead, in a 50M LOC codebase, one specific codebase-wide migration was done.Very impressive, but obviously not on the order of a whole-codebase migration
jsw97
On my very first Fable 5 prompt, got flagged on a hard but completely uncontroversial option math problem, many tokens in. Although it's pretty clear that this is an unremarkable experience at this point.
PeterStuer
If you are not seeing it under /model, do a /exit , then a Claude upgrade, then /model again and it should be there.
stronglikedan
Careful using this with Cursor, especially for corp use. Anthropic will "retain agent request and output data associated with this model, regardless of you Cursor Privacy Mode setting."
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erghjunk
Nice branding.I wonder how much butterfly habitat has been/is being replaced with data centers?
knollimar
I swear I read a joke that "what if we named chatgpt 5.5 Fable. Could we hype it as much as mythos?" Last week!
agnosticmantis
> we’ve implemented new interventions that limit Claude’s effectiveness for requests targeting frontier LLM development (for example, on building pretraining pipelines, distributed training infrastructure, or ML accelerator design)Translation: we stole the entirety of human knowledge generated over millennia. You plebs though, don't you dare replicate or improve upon what we did using our product you pay for.We know what's good for humanity and everyone else is the bad guy who can't be trusted with a tool.
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ako
Tool use score is 17.4% that seems really low, what does that mean?
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theLiminator
> We have also added safeguards related to frontier LLM development. As discussed in Section 6.1 of our February 2026 Risk Report, we are concerned about the risks of accelerating the overall pace of AI development, though we remain uncertain about the severity of these risks. In particular, our concern is with—as we wrote then—“accelerating other AI developers in building powerful AI systems that pose similar risks to the ones ours pose - without necessarily having commensurate safeguards.” In light of the ability of recent models to accelerate their own development, we’ve implemented new interventions that limit Claude’s effectiveness for requests targeting frontier LLM development (for example, on building pretraining pipelines, distributed training infrastructure, or ML accelerator design). Using Claude to develop competing models already violates our Terms of Service, but enforcing this restriction through our safeguards avoids accelerating the actors most willing to violate these terms. Unlike our interventions for cybersecurity, biology and chemistry, and distillation attempts, these safeguards will not be visible to the user. Fable 5 will not fall back to a different model. Instead, the safeguards will limit effectiveness through methods such as prompt modification, steering vectors, or parameter-efficient fine-tuning (PEFT). These interventions will not affect the vast majority of coding work. We estimate they will impact ~0.03% of traffic, concentrated in fewer than 0.1% of organizations. When these interventions are active, we expect them to have minimal behavioral impact on the model except to limit its effectiveness in developing frontier LLMs. Claude will still respond helpfully to user requests. We’ll continue to improve the precision of our detection methods following the launch of this model.This seems pretty bullshit, you're paying through the nose for tokens and if you are doing anything ML-adjacent, you might silently get worse output without knowing it.
himata4113
> virtualization switching to opus 4.8 ok fair > embedded-allocator switching to opus 4.8 urgh fine > chrome switching to opus 4.8 are you kidding me?
bradley13
I use AI for a wide variety of things, of which technical is only a small part - and then it's usually a problem with project configuration, not coding. Why? Because I am often testing projects handed in by students. Projects that supposedly work on their machine, but certainly do not on mine.Anyway, anecdotally, I find Copilot shockingly awful. It makes random changes to files that have nothing to do with the problem. Call it out, and it makes other changes to other irrelevant files.ChatGPT and Gemini are both much better. Grok also isn't bad. Claude, I honestly haven't tried yet on these issues. Perhaps I should...
Overpower0416
I would expect a release from OpenAI soon. The battle for who can pump up their IPO the most
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randomguy_12
It's surprisingly sensitive to biology research topics - even reviewing standard papers on tissue culturing is flagged as a problem
Retr0id
The escalating nerfs of "cybersecurity" topics is incredibly frustrating. Opus 4.6 had boundaries that seemed reasonable to me but 4.7+ turned it into a moralizing asshole. It'd be less bad if it just gave an error message, but instead it churns a long thinking trace before writing an essay about why what you're asking is bad and wrong.I'll be disappointed when 4.6 is retired.
BenoitEssiambre
Looks like a good model (sir). Costs are getting out of control though. 2x Opus and non-metered usage going away. We're quickly approaching the cost of a human salary for normal usage.
217
Oh my god it's actually here
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kevinalexbrown
"tell me about biology" -> "Switched to Opus 4.8"
rfgplk
If the claimed capabilities are true, Fable 5 is already at a superhuman level. We might see genuine unprecedented leaps in technology now, across all fields.
dangoodmanUT
Not comparing to GPT Pro models is a bit strange, considering that's the natural comparison
yokoprime
Probably great for those who need this. I could continue using opus 4.6 class models for the foreseeable future
algoth1
The refusal rate is insane
drob518
Cracks me up that a system “card” is 319 pages.
maxloh
I just tried using Fable 5 with Claude Code by asking it to create a LaTeX document for me.There is no LaTeX compiler installed on my machine. It seems that Fable 5 is smart enough to download a compiler engine for me, and it kindly runs that remote binary without asking me first :) Support files are in place. No LaTeX compiler on PATH — let me check for a MiKTeX/TeX Live install elsewhere before writing the deck. Ran 2 commands Ran Search common LaTeX install locations Bash ls "/c/Program Files/MiKTeX"*/miktex/bin/x64 2>/dev/null | head -5; ls "/c/Users/[retracted]/AppData/Local/Programs/MiKTeX/miktex/bin/x64" 2>/dev/null | head -5; ls /c/texlive/*/bin/windows 2>/dev/null | head -5; ls /d/texlive /d/"Program Files"/MiKTeX 2>/dev/null | head; which tectonic latexmk 2>/dev/null; echo done done Ran Download portable Tectonic LaTeX engine Bash cd /tmp && curl -sL -o tectonic.zip "https://github.com/tectonic-typesetting/tectonic/releases/download/tectonic%400.15.0/tectonic-0.15.0-x86_64-pc-windows-msvc.zip" && unzip -o tectonic.zip && ./tectonic.exe --version Archive: tectonic.zip Created by Cranko inflating: tectonic.exe tectonic 0.15.0Tectonic 0.15.0 Tectonic works. Now writing the bibliography and the full deck. Opus 4.8 would just proceed without a compiler. Ran a command, used a tool Ran Check for LaTeX toolchain availability Bash cd "C:/Users/Mon/Downloads/Technical Writing" && for c in pdflatex xelatex latexmk bibtex; do printf "%s: " "$c"; command -v $c || echo "NOT FOUND"; done pdflatex: NOT FOUND xelatex: NOT FOUND latexmk: NOT FOUND bibtex: NOT FOUND Used PowerShell command: $cmds = @('pdflatex','xelatex','lualatex','latexmk','bibtex','miktex','tlmgr'); foreach ($c in $cmds) { $p = Get-Command $c -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue; if ($p) { "{0}: {1}" -f $c, $p.Source } else { "{0}: NOT FOUND" -f $c } } description: Check for LaTeX engines on Windows PATH pdflatex: NOT FOUND xelatex: NOT FOUND lualatex: NOT FOUND latexmk: NOT FOUND bibtex: NOT FOUND miktex: NOT FOUND tlmgr: NOT FOUND No LaTeX engine is installed locally, so I can't produce a PDF here — I did a careful structural review against the two prior (working) decks instead. The deck is written to disk and mirrors their template exactly. Here is the deliverable.
wslh
I am playing with it and keeps switching to Opus [1]. The chat is a basic security review of a business project.[1] "This model has specific safety measures that flagged something in this message. This sometimes happens with safe, normal conversations. Send feedback or learn more."
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kypro
I just gave it a go at a problem I've been working on this week. Nothing fancy, just some inefficient code that we've been adding incremental improvements to for a while now to the point where some out-of-box thinking is probably required to push it any further – something Fable is obviously more than capable of.After Fable did some thinking for a few minutes it gave some suggestions. A couple of them were valid – but very low impact, bordering on entirely pointless – but it's main suggestion, oh man.. It told me to make an update that would simply break the existing functionality.So I thought about it for a moment...Hm, I mean, I guess we could do that if we also did x, y & z to mitigate the behaviour change – maybe that's what Fable was thinking?I replied, explaining that it would change the behaviour, assuming it would explain what it was thinking given there was clearly more to it. But no, it just said it was wrong.This isn't some super advanced or complex code either. Had I gave this question to a senior engineer in a technical interview and they gave the answer Fable gave me I would view that very negatively. I was expecting something creative and interesting, not irrelevant + incorrect.I'm sure it's a step up from 4.8 (although am not interested in burning the tokens to find out), but this clearly isn't as significant a change as some are implying. I'm sure if I asked it to come up with some out-of-box suggestions it could, but any competent engineer would have realised that by themselves.
dcchambers
Being unable to use this with zero data retention makes this feel like a non-starter for most enterprise customers.
asdK120
In other words, Fable is Mythos with less compute and with some feel good "safeguards".At least they name their models honestly now to indicate that the religion has nothing to do with reality. Soon the disciples will pay the full token price to fatten their church leaders.
JustSkyfall
Would be more impressive if the safeguards weren't so trigger-happy!
jwpapi
Honestly all the recent improvements, just seem to be slower and more expensive traded for more accuracy, but the issue is that it needs to be exponentially more accurate to counter the effect of having less of a human in a loop.Every wrong direction/mistake is more expensive and takes more time to fix. When you have small loops you can catch those mistakes faster and cheaper.To me we are very far off from economically given long-running tasks to agents.
hydra-f
How much and what kind of data do you need to throw at these models to get a good design interface?
taimurshasan
I was on board until i saw " $50 per million output tokens" lost me bud
Ninjinka
gah could model naming be any more confusing?"Claude Fable 5: a Mythos-class model""we're also launching Claude Mythos 5"what is the 5? how is mythos both a model category and a model name?
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hugodan
mankind has reached its final destination
firemelt
so should I use it with workflows?
Sathwickp
input price $10 per mil token and output price 50$ per mil token btw
logicallee
What a (genuinely) surprising choice:>"We’ve therefore launched the model with safeguards that mean queries on some topics will instead receive a response from our next-most-capable model, Claude Opus 4.8"That's a very surprising solution. Imagine being asked to do something you feel you shouldn't do, and rather than refusing, you say, "Yeah I could do that but given that I don't want you to succeed at this task, I'm going to hand this one off to my slightly less capable colleague, on the assumption that they won't actually succeed. Of course you'll still be charged for all the tokens used."It's a very interesting choice. I think I understand the business logic correctly, but it's still surprising.
nevir
"Fable 5 (disabled) Most capable for your hardest and longest-running tasks · Disable zero data retention to unlock Fable 5 access"
shevy-java
Fable? Fabelstories? (Fablestories, but the german word seems more poignant ... Fabelgeschichten ... Fabeln)
geopsist
the post is live now https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-fable-5-mythos-5
causal
One thing I find kind of annoying is how Anthropic goes for these "vast and alien" names like Fable and Mythos, but then deliberately trains the model's personality to act like a cool high school teacher that feels totally familiar."It's too dangerous it's a Mythos!!" directly contradicts the "I'm the cool AI you can totally trust" vibe it is trained to project.
darrinm
Not supported in Claude Code yet?
alvis
Another thing to note: 30-day retention for all traffic on Mythos-class modelsIs it good or bad? 30 days is a long time for anything bad to happen
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152334H
i wasn't even trying and i got flagged already...
tsunamifury
Clause 5 ran out of quota with TWO PROMPTS.Lets let that sink in.
segmondy
Mythos, Fable, are they trolling us?
IChooseY0u
Fable 5's safety measures flagged this message for cybersecurity or biology topics. They may flag safe, normal content as well. These measures let us bring you Mythos-level capability in other areas sooner, and we're working to refine them. Switched to Opus 4.8. Send feedback with /feedback or learn more: https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15363606 ⎿ Tip: You can configure model switch behavior in /configbiology? what the heck?
aykutseker
who's tried it: is 2x the usage actually worth it over Opus 4.8 for daily work?
UncleOxidant
> During early testing, Stripe reported that Fable 5 compressed months of engineering into days. In a 50-million-line Ruby codebase, the model performed a codebase-wide migration in a day that would otherwise have taken a whole team over two months by hand.How in blazes do you end up with a 50M line Ruby codebase? WTF?
arkwin
Just wanted to comment here: I have been using Opus 4.6, 4.7, and 4.8 just fine to look for Linux kernel vulnerabilities (I'm in the cyber verification program), and it's been fine. I switched to Claude Fable 5, and now I'm getting policy violations.What's the point of being in the cyber verification program at this point? It looks like I cannot use Fable 5 for vulnerability research.
pmuk
Anyone got it working in claude code yet?
jckahn
Cannot wait for the pelican for this one
rarisma
The subscription bit makes no sense has capacity appeared for these 2ish weeks out of thin air that'll vanish? why is it available now but wont be in 2ish weeks?am i missing something?why would I pay 200 out of pocket and then some for the best model, it seems very silly.
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throwaway2027
Will try it when my limit resets.
asdK120
Is this "system card" equivalent to the stone tablets handed down to Moses? Why don't you call it "user manual"?Do people chant the "system manual" at Anthropic Tupperware parties? Do they intone a mantra invoking Amodei's name?
pablogancharov
you can select it using /model fable in claude desktop and claude-code
Sathwickp
input price $10 per mil token and output price 50$ per mil token btw
bnchrch
An 11% jump over opus 4.8 and a 22% jump over gpt 5.5 on Agentic Coding Benchmarks is certainly impressive.Obviously still need to verify it for myself to see if it's truely a leap.But am I the only one wondering, "What can I do today that I couldnt do yesterday?"Previously I would think "Oh I wonder if I can finally get it to do X now?"However now I feel like yesterdays models were more that capable to handle nearly any engineering task I paired with it on.Maybe this is the final leap where I can comfortable set up an autonomous coding loop? Maybe.
deafpolygon
Before long, we'll be having Claude Cylon-class models.
beydogan
my pet conspiracy theory is this is the Opus 4.5 from a few months ago which was extremely good but dumbed down after a week because it was just too good, they didn't want to release it to public. They pulled it down and deployed another "Opus", after that it was just a downhill. Opus 4.8 is unusable for me in React Native, TS, Rails development work.Opus 4.8 gets stuck in weird loops where Codex one shots the bugs.
bradley13
Can we please stop with the extreme "safeguards"? I don't want to waste processing power on a model deciding whether is can answer my question, or ensuring that it's answer is politically correct.
system2
I have been using FABLE 5 with Claude Code since the morning. The speed is very close to what Opus 4.5 was, and the quota use is nearly identical to what it was before the "doubling". Whatever I was experiencing 4-5 months ago is back. Maybe the model is better, but we will see. I cannot tell the difference yet.
charcircuit
>During early testing, Stripe reported that Fable 5 compressed months of engineering into days. In a 50-million-line Ruby codebase, the model performed a codebase-wide migration in a day that would otherwise have taken a whole team over two months by hand.Who is refactoring by hand? This comparison is not relevant in 2026.
xeyownt
Anthropic, can you please stop the FUD?Release your best model, let the world adapt and evolve, and let's move to the next thing.
firemelt
they are like drugs dealer
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It won't even run a basic /security-review command without reverting to Opus 4.8. Utterly useless.
LoganDark
I actually rather like the way they have approached these safeguards. Rather than only teaching the model to refuse a request, or completely rejecting the request, the system gracefully degrades to slightly less powerful or slightly less precise operation. So you still roughly have Opus 4.8 even when safeguards trigger, but with an upgrade when they don't. As much as I hate the way they hype Mythos 5, I think the release of Fable 5 is rather nice. What's not nice though is that they plan to remove it from subscriptions soon, but getting to try it is cool, I suppose.
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w4yai
Pelican guy ! Where are you ? :)
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noncoml
Imagine if Google would roll this out to the search engine. We can't let you search for that because it may be used for "evil"
byteoptimizer
Is Claude Fable 5 is Mythos ?
briandoll
New chapter
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tekla
Maybe at this point, Fable the game will be played generated by AI as we go.
jMyles
> we’re also launching Claude Mythos 5. It’s the same underlying model as Fable 5, but with the safeguards lifted in some areas.2 Mythos 5 will initially be deployed through Project Glasswing, in collaboration with the US government...don't like the sound of that.Why oh why are we insisting on dragging these violent legacy states into the AI age? Let alone using them as a trust vector for when to (and not to) remove safeguards?This seems like a way to get somebody nuked.
noncoml
Can't wait for some real competition so they stop trying to restrict how and why we are using the models.Imagine if Google would tell you "we can't let you search that as you may use it for harm".Also 2x the usage of Claude? Your limits are already ridiculously low.
christkv
Meh more hype for marginal improvements and from Im hearing badly calibrated guardrails causing it to stop mid operation. I guess anything to juice an IPO
dominotw
system card = marketing material with heavily gamed benchmarks.
catigula
>The capabilities of models like Fable 5 and Mythos 5 have the potential to do profound good for the worldHuh? We've seen nothing but wall to wall predictions that these models are going to take all of our jobs and kill us.What's the value add here?
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hmokiguess
I have got it to one shot GTA 6 we can finally play it, it only took ultracode make no mistakes (/s)
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bjord
I thought they said mythos was too dangerous to make generally available?