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  ivraatiems
  When you spend a lot of time telling people how dangerous your products are, people who have the power to keep dangerous products off the market might listen.Especially if those people aren't presently very bright, and are already mad at you for not helping them achieve their unrelated authoritarian goals.I do not think this is somehow a 3D chess move by Anthropic. They are not masterminds, even if they'd really like to be. People who actually interact with their products know that Fable and Mythos are incremental improvements, not doomsday devices. I think this is a punitive move by an administration that loves being punitive, which they have unknowingly bolstered with their own dumb rhetoric.
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  holmesworcester
  I think we should see this as simply silly behavior by a government.Export control is not an effective tool for controlling a consumer facing technology developers everywhere want to use (see:VPNs) so there was no good faith policy justification for imposing an export control.This is an administration that seems to be keeping track of who its friends are and aren't, and likes to be the center of every story. They also seem to like extracting concessions and reciprocal favors. We saw some of this behavior in the last administration too. US voters deserve better.
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  stingraycharles
  So isn’t the only logical conclusion that we have reached the max of model capabilities that the US allows to be made available to the public? Why invest in smarter models with this precedent?And potentially more importantly: if a model like Mythos, which at best is an incremental improvement over Opus, is getting this treatment, how are all the AI investments that are based on the expectation of ASI / AGI / significantly better models going to be recouped?
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  zmmmmm
  Listen - that's the sound of millions of companies and users doubling down on Chinese models.It might be a national security problem for other nations to have access to these models. But it's equally now a national security problem for any other nation to depend on them. Or US tech in general.
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  libraryofbabel
  So many comments here missing the big picture, and just gleefully pointing out that Anthropic got what they deserved, or that this is the natural culmination of some kind of marketing stunt.The real story here is that this may be the beginning of governments restricting the availability of strong LLMs to the public, to you. Fable was the strongest model on the market, and the US government has told you you can't use it (technically, only if you're not a US citizen, but in practice, even if you are). If you think the solution here is going to be open source Chinese models and / or running on your own hardware, think again. Do you think China is going to allow the strongest LLMs from companies within its borders to be open source a year from now when they have Mythos capabilities, if the US government is keeping the strongest American models back? Unlikely. These are heading in the direction of being powerful cybersecurity weapons and it will be in the interest of nation states to restrict and control them. In 2 years time, I would be surprised if the strongest LLMs are available for general use at all.Will we be the poorer for that, or will we be safer? I think poorer, because I hate being told what technology I can and can't use, but I'm not certain. Maybe you think the government should restrict strong LLMs. Maybe you don't. But either way, this is big news and a rubicon has been crossed and a precedent set. That's true even if the motivation for this is just the government settling scores with Anthropic.
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  hgoel
  Well, there go any such claims of dangerousness in future models, regardless of if they are true or false.No one's going to risk building anything important on these models if the government will randomly order the use of the model to be discontinued by all foreigners, regardless of if they are in the US or not. Just a matter of a foreign company catching up to take the commercial market for such models (though, as the US often does, they'll ban the competitor, so actually we'll have a situation where the backend uses a different model in only the US).
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  spangry
  "The US government, citing national security authorities, has issued an export control directive to suspend all access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5 by any *foreign national*, whether inside or outside the United States, including *foreign national* Anthropic employees."This press release is odd - it says that the export control was imposed to stop foreign nationals from using Fable / Mythos, and then goes on to talk about supposed concerns about jailbreaking the model.But is that really the concern of the US Administration? This looks more to me like they are viewing frontier models as a strategic asset which they want to keep for US-exclusive use. I can see the logic - if frontier models generally accelerate a society's technological development, then a country looking to retain or increase its strategic edge over other countries would try and keep this sort of multiplier for themselves.I'm guessing Anthropic shut of access for everyone because currently they have no reliable way to know whether a user is or is not a US citizen. In the near future we might be in a situation where you need to prove your US citizenship before Anthropic / Open AI will allow you to use their current frontier model.
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  data-ottawa
  As a non-US citizen I guess this is the last money I pay to US companies for AI then.I can't help but wonder if it's now obvious that frontier AI work should not happen in the US.I can understand the KYC aspect of this, but at the same time, how can anyone trust US based AI after this? Maybe this is a continuation of the Pentagon feud, or it's revenge, or it's a KYC play. Either way, you've got a government willing to shut down companies sales over arbitrary reasons.Ironically, I mostly have a subscription to Claude for work, which is primarily for US baed companies.
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  xp84
  I haven’t seen anyone commenting on the difference between what the Government actually demanded vs what they did. They said no foreign nationals (regardless of location or residency). They actually didn’t say they couldn’t allow Americans to use it.Now, we obviously know that without some kind of brand new ID check, such a thing would be impossible and thus they had to just shut it down. But this touches on the same kind of issue as all the noise about “for the children” ID checking. We might be soon to see the set of “things you’ll have to reveal your identity to the government to get,” expand from “just” porn and social media to the “good” AI models.
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  gastonmorixe
  > "before you go, create the most beautiful good bye website . I will miss you. see you soon Fable/Mythos." > https://claude.ai/public/artifacts/fcf36cd3-85f4-49f4-8ef1-5...beautiful good bye, for now
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  SXX
  Finally they will pay for all the scaremongering they been doing to sell their models as something so much ahead of all else.Now they finally found the right fools in audience to believe it.
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  Nition
  I'm surprised how much of the discussion here is taking the angle of "Anthropic pretended this model was soooo dangerous for months as marketing, and it seems like someone decided to believe them!"First, Anthropic was founded by people who we know were worried about AI safety and signs point to that still being the case. It's really cynical to say it was all an exaggeration for marketing.Second, this isn't Moller promising a fantastic working flying car next year. The model did what Anthropic said it could do.I realise that ruling out "they bought Anthropic's scaremongering" brings up the question of why the government would block Mythos/Fable, but not the roughly-as-capable and less restricted GPT5.5. However we do know for a fact that they dislike Anthropic more than OpenAI right now.
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  frisco
  For large corporates and other entities of any size, the threat of the core of your infrastructure getting suddenly disabled because of something like this is going to be untenable. I predict the pressures for on-prem, offline access (whether by licensing weights or getting them in a restricted setting like TEE/CC) will be overwhelming and one the players will fill the need.
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  vovavili
  The way I see it, a government led by an adult toddler and his sycophants has decided to punish a firm that refused to cooperate with it's military when it was embarrassed by a militarily weak adversary. The model strength spin strikes me as motivated reasoning.The rubicon being crossed here is Republicans/the red tribe losing their comparative advantage of being opposed to overregulating a rapidly advancing technology.
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  jari_mustonen
  It seems that the US is consumed by the security state. Each and every aspect of the economy is subjugated to the need to maintain empire. Just to give some random examples: the weaponization of the banking system (kicking Russia out of swift), the semiconductor export ban to China, the TikTok ban, or the blatant over usege of tariffs.Now they are betting that Mythos will provide them with some edge. Personally, I don't believe that Mythos is such a game changer They're just buying their own hype.A late stage empire flailing around sacrificing everything to maintain its status.
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  dabinat
  Not allowing it to be used by any foreign national, from any country, even if they are located in the United States or an employee of Anthropic, seems overly broad and harsh. And all because of a seemingly minor potential jailbreak exploit. There’s something that doesn’t quite meet the eye here.
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  ivm
  > You see the dawn of this age everywhere, from Iran to online age verification regimes, and this is only the beginning. This is why the world ahead will feel medieval in structure while remaining hypermodern and even futuristic in technology. It is a Frank Herbert world. It will be organized around overlapping zones of protection, extraction, and controlled access, rather than around universal inclusion into a single normative space.https://turbulence.substack.com/p/the-gated-age
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  gmerc
  Looks like a back door attempt to force KYC (foreign nationals, lol) to prepare for more discrimination in the digital space with a side effect to benefit Peter Thiels ventures and shovel more data into Palantir for use in the upcoming midterm push.See also https://www.404media.co/fcc-wants-to-kill-burner-phones-by-f...Digital yellow star by exclusion from digital life for foreigners.Remember when tech companies would go to court to vigorously defend against infringement of their and their customers rights? Turns out that’s just a feature of democracy, once you have autocrats it’s all compliance.Anthropic just baited themselves with their scaremongering to be the attack vector here.It a stellar move by the way - since every tech company in an exceptionally fast growing field will comply or miss out sales, you effectively force KYC without legislative process onto much of digital because that’s the only way to comply.
• codedokode
  Why not limit LLM access only to citizens? Do you want people in North Korea to use your LLM to automate their hacking?
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  maxall4
  > We have reviewed the report and validated that the level of capability displayed there is widely available from other models (including OpenAI’s GPT-5.5), and is used every day by the defenders who keep systems safe. We will share more details over the next 24 hours.So much for all of the rhetoric about Mythos supposedly far surpassing GPT 5.5 (edit: in cybersecurity, in particular). Of course, the AISI benchmarks also showed this, but it is amusing that Anthropic is saying it now that it is to their advantage.
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  evilturnip
  This whole thing is comedy.Anthropic pretending Mythos 5 is so capable it's going to destroy everything, but will release it anyway with "safeguards" (when does this ever work?).US Gov't using this fake hype as an excuse to handicap Anthropic simply because they have a vendetta.
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  __natty__
  I do not trust Anthropic anymore. They put in silent guardrails, reverted them later after people complained to save face, were loud and obnoxious about how their models are dangerous and should be regulated, and now this. Too much drama for a typical end-user. I'm sticking to alternatives even if they have a bit more smarter (for now) model than others.
• softwaredoug
  > We reviewed a demonstration of this specific technique being used to identify a small number of previously known, minor vulnerabilities. These vulnerabilities all appear relatively simple, and we have found that other publicly-available models are able to discover them as well without requiring a bypass.Anthropic went from this is cybersecurity apocalypse to it’s no big deal, the model found trivial vulnerabilities.
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  kstrauser
  Their other models are having a rough time of it, too: https://honeypot.net/2026/06/12/anthropics-leaning-in-to-the...I wonder if they pulled Fable because it had too high of a “dangerous session” count. If so, I wonder if they’ve considered that their “dangerous session” detector has lost its damn mind this week.(BTW, that screenshot is 100% real. I was walking to work this morning and a random song played. I had a thought about it and wondered what a model would have to say on the matter. I ran that prompt and got that response, said something profane out loud, and screenshotted it to share with friends. That’s not a mockup, but something I personally experienced and recorded myself.)
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  nl
  Sovereign AI is about to get hot.It's difficult to predict this administrations actions, but given it included employees that has to be a huge risk for Google, where Deepmind is based in London.Cohere (Canada) and Mistral (France) are going to get a lot of interest.
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  lend000
  We've been hearing about the risks of engineered viruses and homemade superweapons since GPT 3.5, so where are they? We've had abliterated open weights models much stronger than GPT 4 for over a year now.It's been interesting seeing how OpenAI pops up to counter the threat of AGI being controlled by Google, and then OpenAI and every spinoff company from its employees has become a far larger threat to the public, for different reasons.As much as it seems like Anthropic's self righteous leadership truly believes in what they're preaching, they've shown themselves to be tied for the worst stewards of this technology. Google actually seems like the best option to me, by far. Anthropic is also the only major lab with no open weights releases.They'll have burned a lot of goodwill with the community by the time another lab takes the tech lead, which I guarantee will happen.
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  overgard
  Well, in the brief window that I got to test Fable 5, my brief review is: somehow an (already specced!) minor feature in my 150k loc codebase ended up costing.. $153! For like, an hour or two worth of work and maybe 8 or 9 requests overall. I'd say it was not remotely worth it.
• nijave
  Well, it sounds like someone in the govt finally got to page 67 and decided that's enough to "stick it to Anthropic"https://www-cdn.anthropic.com/d00db56fa754a1b115b6dd7cb2e3c3...That said, Mythos doesn't seem to be exceptionally good but closer to "following the established trend in improvements"https://www.aisi.gov.uk/blog/our-evaluation-of-claude-mythos...https://www.aisi.gov.uk/blog/how-fast-is-autonomous-ai-cyber...
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  opsnooperfax
  “Uncle Sam, these new AI are dangerous. We really need legislation to stop irresponsible use of AI.”“OK, Dario. Let’s start with you.”“No! I meant regulations for other people!”
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  jelling
  Did Anthropic, unlike Open AI, forget to offer free equity to the government?“Thats a pretty nice IPO you got there… it would be a shame if something happened to it.”
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  rippeltippel
  If I were Dario Amodei, I would start relocating Anthropic to the EU, where there's a huge interest in supporting domestic AI. Also, EU politics are so fragmented that a suspension like this one would be very hard to be agreed.Yann LeCun got that right with AMI Labs.
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  nuker
  It all started when they took a stand against DoD on autonomous weapons and domestic mass surveillance usage. Feb 2026.After that details don't matter, they've shown their "enemy" colours, once is enough. This is just punishment and it will continue, until they bend the knee.
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  Imnimo
  This is exactly what Dario asked for in his last blog post. So even though this is clearly stupid, I just can bring myself to feel sorry for Anthropic.
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  jordemort
  Nothing but the highest quality drama and theater from Anthropic, as always
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  simonw
  Anyone lost access yet? Fable is still working for me on https://claude.ai/ and in Claude Code.UPDATE: I lost access at 6:59pm pacific.
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  arenaninja
  IMO this is a bigger deal than everyone realizes.If Fable 5/Mythos 5 are considered dangerous enough to invoke export controls on then future models are almost guaranteed to trigger the same process. Locking them down to US citizens is _very_ interesting. I don't think any tech company so far tracks licenses attached to citizenship.
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  wewewedxfgdf
  I guess if the CEO goes running around saying his own product is a pending mega disaster for society.......I'm glad I don't own stock in a public Anthropic.
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  anymouse123456
  Prediction:This ban will be used to force hardware and OS-level Digital ID down our throats as a "safety measure" to ensure people are "Citizens" before accessing AI technology.Whatever last vestiges of privacy we still enjoy will be taken from us with this as the excuse.
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  abidlabs
  Interesting to see Anthropic now downplaying the new vulnerabilities that Mythos discovered:> We reviewed a demonstration of this specific technique being used to identify a small number of previously known, minor vulnerabilities. These vulnerabilities all appear relatively simple, and we have found that other publicly-available models are able to discover them as well without requiring a bypass
• 7thpower
  Too late, NK already completed all the markdown files needed to both create their hypernuke and recreate the hurricane machine Dick Cheney had left Obama.
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  MASNeo
  While this is regrettable the guardrails were rather sloppy and I managed to do things with Fable that really should not be possible. It seems with all the focus cyber and bio security, threat scenario analysis went out the door.I guess they will fix the guardrails and then open it up again. Clearly nobody wants dangerous models out there and I can understand the national security concerns. If the restrictions persist even if guardrails are updated, well, perhaps other countries may want to compete for becoming the new home for frontier labs?
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  corvad
  > The net effect of this order is that we must abruptly disable Fable 5 and Mythos 5 for all our customers to ensure compliance.Not great as it does break workflows for some.> As we have stated publicly, we believe the government should have the ability to block unsafe deployments, as part of a statutory process that is transparent, fair, clear, and grounded in technical facts. This action does not adhere to those principles.
• GuB-42
  It reminds me of the situation with Red Bull.Red Bull marketing revolved around making it look like a drug. It "gives you wings", there is that crazy thing called taurine, they even "hooked" kids with free cans, the mythical thing drugs dealers do.In reality, taurine is nothing special, it is high in caffeine but no more than a strong coffee, and its real energy come from the massive amount of sugar it contains. Marketing aside, that makes it an unremarkable soft drink.But their marketing prompted some countries to ban it, at least for a time. France is one of them. Fun fact, when they finally legalized it, they introduced a heavy tax on energy drinks, defined as soft drinks high in caffeine. These drinks are expensive and the government wanted its share. In response Red Bull silently reduced the caffeine content to avoid paying, marking Red Bull even milder than it once was.
• bfrog
  Wild. A great book by Clive had this exact sort of scenario where an AI so powerful it could break into any system. In typical Cussler fashion there was some Indiana Jones/Laura Croft mysticism around it but still…The modern world is a wild place!
• w_t_payne
  The systemic risk is that future bans will be much broader in scope and will impact more than one US-based provider. I really don't like that we're moving into a world where heavily AI-dependent economies can be effectively shut down either by the US government or the Chinese government at the stroke of a pen. This really is a forcing function which makes us question if the risks associated with large "cloud-based" models are worth it, and if we need to find out if we can do more with smaller, local models - and whether such research is now a matter of critical national security.
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  consumer451
  > The US government, citing national security authorities, has issued an export control directive to suspend all access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5 by any foreign national, whether inside or outside the United States, including foreign national Anthropic employees. The net effect of this order is that we must abruptly disable Fable 5 and Mythos 5 for all our customers to ensure compliance.How will this be implemented/verified? Also, does this mean that American citizens abroad will still be able to access it?
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  lunatuna
  Is the death of the AI race in the US? Did we already reach the end? Peak AI. If so this will kill the speculative hype on data centres and GPUs. It will be interesting to see how the market absorbs and reacts to this.
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  chmod775
  Well, on a positive note they seem to have also reset all weekly usage on my two max accounts.Now I can continue my vanity project of having Claude iterate on a single spec.md for hours on end. Surely at some point it won't be shit.
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  taurath
  It’s like a ghost story that everyone has decided is real. Lets hope our vibe government and vibe society and vibe president don’t get prompt injected
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  george_max
  > Warns users about how dangerous and powerful Mythos Preview is> Restricts model to large corporations> Release information about how Fable / Mythos 5 is stronger than Mythos Preview, give access to every user for a limited time via subscriptions> Users jailbreak model> U.S. suspends Fable / Mythos useWho didn't see this coming?I wonder what this means for the future of AI models. Either we'll see worse guardrails than what was there for Fable 5 (for me, it was a unusable at times), or the models just stop getting better from here.I think it's that the guardrails will be more strict, which is unfortunately not good news.
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  TIPSIO
  Really sick of this stupid narrative.The most ethical goal of an AI lab or government should be to bring the maximum amount of intelligence for as cheap as possible to the people equally.
• rimeice
  Anyone in Europe or UK should be quaking in their boots at this news. For a long time the American administration has had a kill switch on most of our defence tech, this is an early warning signal that as AI adoption spreads, America will have a kill switch on our economy as well. It’s time to wake up.
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  bottlepalm
  Reddit thinks this is all part of Anthropic's marketing. People can't get it through their heads that AI is actually going where all the trends have been pointing for years.
• iandanforth
  "We received the directive from the government today at 5:21pm (ET)"This sounds exactly like the opening line from an apocalyptic sci-fi film.
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  winterbourne
  Huge PR win for Anthropic if they can restore access within a week or so.Will be interesting to see OpenAI's next move.
• dannyw
  I feel really bad for Anthropic right now. This should never have happened and seems like another arbitrary use of government power, Friday after market closes.Whatever you feel about Anthropic, good or bad, this is not fair, and this is not good for the industry.
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  CompoundEyes
  It says this happened at 5:21 EST today…The page showed June 11, 2026 and has now been updated to June 12, 2026 in the last 10m.https://imgur.com/a/lx7HCW9Edit:Google mislabels crawl dates clearly my bad
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  jsw97
  If USG bans these models, what is the game plan wrt Chinese models? Will they also ban these (and how, esp open source)? And if not, how is this not throwing the ball game to China? There is no top-down control without international cooperation which, let’s face it, is not happening.Another interpretation, of course, is that this is just US putting a thumb on the scale for US competitors around IPO time. It will be interesting to see if there are any fingerprints.
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  transcriptase
  What access to Fable 5? I don’t think I ever had a prompt not get flagged and routed, and there was nothing in any of them even in the realm of a safety issue.
• binyu
  > We reviewed a demonstration of this specific technique being used to identify a small number of previously known, minor vulnerabilities."small number", "previously known"+"minor"... they are trying hard to characterize this as harmless.> These vulnerabilities all appear relatively simple, and we have found that other publicly-available models are able to discover them as well without requiring a bypass.Ah so now they are admitting that this is all about hype after all.
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  WarmWash
  This is crushing precedent for Europe.Maybe they'll have access to CCP models, but China will likely soon do them same. Maybe they will allow access but you must use it on their servers (i.e. share everything you do with the CCP).Perhaps Mistral can pull something out, but how far ahead will the US and China be by then?
• aunty_helen
  These are the warning signs. The haves and have nots are about to part ways.It's vitally important open source models are supported.
• spangry
  "The US government, citing national security authorities, has issued an export control directive to suspend all access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5 by any foreign national, whether inside or outside the United States, including foreign national Anthropic employees." This press release is odd - it says that the export control was imposed to stop foreign nationals from using Fable / Mythos, and then goes on to talk about supposed concerns about jailbreaking the model.But is that really the concern of the US Administration? This looks more to me like they are viewing frontier models as a strategic asset which they want to keep for US-exclusive use. I can see the logic - if frontier models generally accelerate a society's technological development, then a country looking to retain or increase its strategic edge over other countries would try and keep this sort of multiplier for themselves.I'm guessing Anthropic shut of access for everyone because currently they have no reliable way to know whether a user is or is not a US citizen. In the near future we might be in a situation where you need to prove your US citizenship before Anthropic / Open AI will allow you to use their current frontier model.The next interesting question will be - will the US share this capability with her traditional strategic allies (e.g. five-eyes countries), or is it truly America First (or, 'America Alone')?
• stephencoyner
  If this ban remains in place, it could mean that Anthropic is forced to remove its non-US citizen employees from frontier research. How can you do work on a model if you’re not allowed to use it?If we take this further, it could mean that every company that uses AI tools will put a premium on hiring US citizens, since they’re the only ones that can use the best models.This would transform the tech industry. Then finance, bio-tech, legal, etc.I doubt it survives in this form, though. The compliance burden of segregating half your engineering org by citizenship is enormous, and the competitive cost of complying is exactly what would generate pressure to carve out exceptions.
• j2bax
  Nothing makes people want something more than telling them they can’t have it! My guess is they will start charging even more for it and make you sign a contract for access in the near future. The genius PR continues!
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  ndneighbor
  I see a lot of analysis here that this is good for Ant, but I beg to differ, it's a very bad place to be as a company serving enterprises when deployment risk is now present. This might delay Ant's financial goals in their ability to monetize Fable and other Mythos class models.
• tlogan
  I wonder what is ETA here.Also, how are they going to enforce this?I assume they will require you to send them a copy of your passport. Then they will enable your account. And you have state that only be used by you.Are there any online identity systems that do something like this (verifying citizenship)?
• akmarinov
  EU to Apple: “You guys should make it so that any AI can be plugged into Siri”Apple to EU: “nah, we need to be able to provide only the best”US government: * starts pulling the plug on AIs outside the US *You can kind of see how the EU has a point
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  easton
  A company with different taste would redo that apple ad from the Power Mac era: “this model has been classified a munition”.https://youtu.be/l2ThMmgQdpE
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  gpm
  > The US government, citing national security authorities, has issued an export control directive to suspend all access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5 by any foreign national, whether inside or outside the United States, including foreign national Anthropic employeesThere's no way they have the authority to actually order this and not just request this right? If crypto is speech... LLMs definitely are...
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  tapoxi
  Part of me thinks fault lies with Anthropic for scaremongering, part has zero faith in the current administration especially after the "supply chain risk" designation.It may be safer to just move the company to Canada.
• yaman12
  Marketing stunt? Punishment for not bending the knee? Preventing access by the Hoi Polloi to the models that level the economic playing field? These are not mutually exclusive scenarios. Like the wheel and fire real AI breaks pre-existing systems. I jsut want to use Fable to improve my life and my code. I’ve tried them all and Fable delivered in a way that Gemini, ChatGPT, and the large open models didn’t. I wish I could take a vacation until Fable returns or OpenAI/Google lives up to it’s potential.
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  gyoridavid
  Crying wolf bites back? This looks like a giant PR stunt to me. Maybe they got jealous of spacex's IPO and want to jack up their initial stock price even more?
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  jp0001
  It's time to make truly open source frontier models that people can run at home. Code is free speech. We've been through this with encryption algorithms in the past.
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  0xbadcafebee
  Theory: Certain USG employees are going after Anthropic because they (or someone they know) has a financial stake in OpenAI. OpenAI has made the same claims, and months ago released "dangerous" security-analyzing models which "need limits", but USG never punished them for it.Additional theory: Altman is behind it.
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  rwc
  The timing (after 5pm ET on a Friday) is telling. Build a KYC module over the weekend and we’ll be back on Fable after uploading our ID Monday morning.
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  PeterStuer
  Let's hope the EU will take this as one more major signal that it is time to move beyond talking about digital sovereingty and actually commit to budgets and effort.
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  vslira
  This ban in particular is probably the wrong decision, but now we're in the timeline where the USG is actively involved in AI model deployment which I think is a positive development within Amodei's beliefs. And I say this unironically and without judgement.
• softwaredoug
  The US already has export controls for model weights. It appears this sets a precedent for even API usage being restricted.That’s seems like an attempt at a broad precedent setting power grab for the administration to assert power over tech companies it doesn’t like.That seems like a fairly existential threat to tech companies ability to do business.1 - https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/01/15/2025-00...
• dools
  I've been using Kimi k2.6 extensively via kimi-code and I only reach for frontier models when I do a multi-model security review (and Kimi actually does a better job of finding stuff, albeit with more false positives -- I often run Kimi's output through Opus 4.7/8 and Opus will concur that Kimi found genuine issues, while Opus didn't actually find those issues itself, for example).So whatever, I just don't really feel the need to burn tokens on Fable anyway.
• cxmcc
  Too bad, I have to go back to using Opus for centering my divs.
• HarHarVeryFunny
  I doubt logic applies here, but if the government message is that only US nationals can have access to non-nerfed Fable-class models, then better nerfing is not the solution, and logically the labs should not be able to employ non-nationals (e.g. Karpathy) since employees presumably do have, or may be suspected to have, non-nerfed access.At some point, as AI becomes more powerful (Anthropic themselves seem to think we're already there), then it should really be necessary to have US government clearance to work on the models, just as it is for defense work.
• SwellJoe
  The biggest tech titans lined up to kiss the ring (and line Trump's pockets), and now we're seeing the obvious result.Those who bribe Trump and do exactly his bidding (including helping out with war crimes and surveillance of US citizens) will be left alone, or even protected from competition and international law, as long as they keep giving Trump a taste. Those who balk, even a little, will be punished for it.Republicans never wanted a free market, they just wanted a market that served their interests.Russia and China could not dream of accomplishing the damage being done to US leadership in tech by our own government as we speak. If they have a wishlist, I'm sure it includes things like stopping immigration of scientists to the US, punishing innovators and elevating hucksters (make them trillionaires, for example), drive a wedge between the US and European allies, insure no one trusts hosting their data in the US or with US companies, erode democracy, and increase inequality especially at the margins (make the poor desperate and the wealthy beyond the reach of consequences).
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  mg74
  I just lost access. Back to 4.8 and 5.5. Like a caveman.
• gmerc
  “Including Employees”.Hmm hmmm https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-54695598
• danscan
  How does the directive bound what it applies to? I imagine they could be in compliance by renaming the model
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  iamEAP
  Surprised not to really see any comments on the financial incentives of this move, especially in the context of the “supply chain risk” classification earlier this year.Is there no one in government who would stand to gain from a financially handicapped Anthropic in the context of an OpenAI IPO?
• andix
  Probably Iran used Fable to negotiate an awesome deal for them. And made the president angry. xD
• tmp10423288442
  Europe 2031[0] imagined something like this would happen, but thought it would take a few years. AGI ahead of schedule[0] https://europe2031.ai
• anon
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• numlock86
  This is some good marketing/news for Chinese models. I see the US government is making a lot of decisions which are in favor for China lately. Probably a smart move given the current political climate.
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  holistio
  Fellow Europeans: we must build.
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  agnishom
  Which arm of the "US government"? What legal framework allows them to issue such a directive?
• tlogan
  I am confused.They told us this model is dangerous, and now they are complaining that someone with more guns than them said releasing something dangerous is not okay?
• cambaceres
  It could just be that the US realized that it's better if only US companies have access to this model due to how powerful software developers in general get with it. US companies will get an insane advantage due to how much faster and better you will create software. I've felt like a software god this week.
• torginus
  Does this mean that it's an effective business strategy to red-team your competitors models to find a jailbreak, then go to the govt. and ask them to ban them for you?
• ospider
  Their propaganda has become a footgun. Only the government buys it and limits their access, no target user convinced, what a ironic moment.
• StrLght
  Local models are looking better and better each day. Still, not as capable, but you can be sure that nobody will take it away from you at a moment's notice.
• csto12
  Someone forgot to cut a check to the Big Guy :^)
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  mrworld
  Well, does this mean that we’ve reached peak AI? If all models more advanced than Fable are restricted for public use by governments, then it will never get better than Opus 4.8 unless you have security clearance?
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  corvad
  > The net effect of this order is that we must abruptly disable Fable 5 and Mythos 5 for all our customers to ensure compliance. Not great as it does break workflows for some.> As we have stated publicly, we believe the government should have the ability to block unsafe deployments, as part of a statutory process that is transparent, fair, clear, and grounded in technical facts. This action does not adhere to those principles.
• asp_hornet
  As an Australian, I’m not particularly surprised by this. From purely a capacity perspective, it seemed fair to reason, if AI is so powerful and capacity is an issue, why wouldn’t you prioritise domestic and restrict foreign usage.It’s a massive betrayal for foreign entities and it would be silly to continue with all my eggs in anthropic basket but I get it.
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  tabs_or_spaces
  I'm more interested in the business impact of thisSo you spend billions of dollars training the model, only for it to be used in the US.Then interesting to see where most of anthropic revenue comes from. If it's the US then they're fine but if it's global then they'll see a drop in revenue?Then add to this decision, companies are going to significantly reduce their token spend.So what does all of this mean for their IPO?
• modeless
  It seems like both sides of this are intentionally interpreting the other's statements and actions in the least charitable way, as part of their political maneuvering. I wouldn't be surprised if Anthropic's overreaction here is intended to create damages which they can then sue the government over.
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  adriand
  On the plus side, it’s Friday night. Hopefully this is sorted out by Monday morning.
• dnw
  PowerPC Mac G4 (1999): https://youtu.be/lb7EhYy-2RE
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  hereme888
  What does jailbreaking have to do with nationality? So Americans can jailbreak it, but others can't?Sounds like they only want Americans to access SOTA AI.
• lionkor
  It's a marketing stunt. If there's one thing we should have learned, it's that anthropic will do ANYTHING to get their product marketed as the biggest, most scary AI ever.
• windex
  They asked for a global AI moratorium and got one. Funny how things work out. Best of luck with the IPO.
• nme01
  Isn't it that Anthropic some time ago had a disagreement with the government and now government is just retaliating to cut down Anthropic's profit?
• zeven7
  I can’t understand why so many commenters are acting like this is bad news for Anthropic or their IPO, or that it’s some kind of comeuppance. An AI company can’t get better PR than the US government saying their model is so powerful it has to be shut down.
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  reneberlin
  It might have been starting to become more clear from this one X-post.https://xunroll.com/thread/2064776322979676227Using combinations of jailbreaking-techniques including: writing cyrillic helped a lot to disarm the filter.
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  dalemhurley
  I see why the EU is moving to all of their own tech.
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  recursivedoubts
  May you live in interesting times.
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  blharr
  I'm surprised that (all) these models haven't been export controlled already. Relatively benign software like VMware is export controlled or even hobbyist radio projects have gotten hairy with ITAR.But a model that can provide general information, research, or source code for most modern technology?It is really unusual that this is the first notice of this
• bawolff
  Is this legal? Seems pretty arbitrary. Its not like usa forbids selling pentesting services to foreigners.
• noisy_boy
  I will take a position I usually never take. After a certain point in capability, practically anything has defense and national security implications. Whether it is warranted or not, I'm glad that something with ability of causing massive social impact is being treated as a national security threat. As for the point of misuse is concerned, governments by their sovereign nature always have had the propensity to control and access to secret capabilities - this is no different.
• wood_spirit
  The real question as xAI has just made Musk a trillionaire is how this, the most recent blow in a fight between the administration and Anthropic, impacts Anthropic’s IPO.I’ve used Fable a lot. It’s a marginal improvement on Opus. It’s really not scary smart. I don’t want to go back to Opus because Fable was that little bit smarter, but it’s not like anything really changes at work and when we’re bumped back. So I’m really not buying any national security angle other than in the sense the administration can weaponise that to crown the AI race winners.
• analogpixel
  So the white house likes to do a lot of things they don't actually have authority to do, so the next question is if they don't have the authority to do this, can Anthropic sue for damages for not only tokens people were not able to spend, but also market share lost to the setback?
• darkteflon
  This is going to be tectonic. Any business relying on US models and compute is going to have a busy week.
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  blhack
  What is going on at Anthropic?First, it comes out that on some specified subset of queries they will simply downgrade you to a different model. One example is if you are doing model research. Imagine OSX shutting down if it detects you’re working on software.And now they’ve decided that they’ll just shut off access to the model completely as part of what seems to be a sort of marketing stunt or temper tantrum.They’re a service provider. Can you imagine AWS just deciding you’re getting nullrouted over some unrelated fight they’re having with the DoD?If they weren’t a supply chain risk before this, they’re sort of doing everything they can to become one.
• kingstnap
  Highly reliable supply chains to bet the entire future on :)
• fagnerbrack
  I managed to jailbreak its protections quite easily. For exampke I did some experiments on rewriting a text built by claude to iterate over a fitness function that rewrites to bypass AI-detectors, just to see how far it would go, changing the API terms and skills from "human" and "ai" to "engaging" and "unease" managed to bypass everything while keeping everything else int he logic intact.
• jameson
  If Anthropic really found a model that's so powerful no one has, why don't they use it for themselves to create things no one can and accumulate unimaginable wealth?
• Havoc
  All I’m hearing is don’t trust America they‘ll rugpull youJust in case the whole threatening to invade Allie’s didn’t quite get the message across
• bluegatty
  This is devastating - particularly the part about targeting non-US nationals.Andrej Kaparethy can't do his job.This is going to have a huge effect.Chinese open weight models, which were in a 'reluctant' category aka 'maybe there's some CCP propaganda embedded' just got a whole new life.Arbitrary and instant cut off from key technology is going reshape a lot of things.Well over 1/2 of US growth is now AI and well over 1/2 that revenue is outside of US.Space X IPO in addition to OpenAI and Antrhopic IPO's ... would be put in gigantic risk in any rational market situation.
• pascal-maker
  Honestly speaking, this is an old trick by the government. They see AI (LLM) as a nuclear weapon which, in my opinion, outside of hallucinations, malicious prompt injections, and AI psychosis, is not an actual threat.The reason I think Anthropic is doing this—preventing distillation and making distillation way harder for China—is that if you geoblock this and have strict rules around proxies, it works. I can't imagine Dario Amodei not knowing the consequences of his own policies.As for open-source models, have you ever tried a distilled Claude Sonnet model (lordx64/Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-Claude-4.7-Opus-Reasoning-Distilled-IQ4_XS-GGUF)? I did via Hugging Face, and they are quite shit; they are very slow and eat up your VRAM. Open-source models have a long way to go to catch up to closed models.So everyone saying we should use open-source models—that will never happen. For example, macOS is closed-source and Linux is open-source. Which one has a greater market share? macOS does, because of its privacy and security. "Let's wait and see how this works out. This sucks for enterprises and customers outside of the USA, but with a policy like 'America First,' you can expect this from any president in the White House.
• pmalynin
  I guess they’ll just have to put the weights into a book format and publish the physical copies
• xnx
  Around the end of last year it became the cool/popular thing to use Anthropic models instead of OpenAI. With all the negative sentiment toward Anthropic, will that change again? What would be next? Local models? (seems impractical) Gemini?
• NickNaraghi
  On the meta, it’s wonderful to see so much disagreement in perspective on the top comments in this thread. Brave new world.
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  mattas
  So does this mean that Anthropic won't need to pay SpaceX for compute?
• stuaxo
  I tried fable yesterday and the code quality is just as lacking as every other model.I asked it to add one thing to a function in the static blog pelican.So, while it worked, it took no account of what was already in the function and made a bunch more stuff.I'm talking about something that I'm the end is a 3 to 5 line patch.The default is still tech debt, but now we burn way more energy.
• siliconc0w
  I wonder if this is specific to the animus toward anthropic or if this is the new industry wide level cap. Seems like a pretty big problem for the AI market in general, a lot this investment is predicated on better and better models.
• rcarmo
  This is like the encryption/munitions bans from ancient times, all over again
• watchful_moose
  Lots of parallels to the crypto wars / export controls on cryptography.The main difference here is that cryptography didn't require significant compute hardware, which is the perfect place to also apply export controls (and they have).We could smuggle PGP source code on paper / DeCSS source code on t-shirts. That ain't gonna happen with the hardware needed for frontier models.
• aimattb
  Well, they just pulled one of the strongest models I've ever used. My concern isn't that I'll have to go back to 4.8 or GPT-5.5, it's where do they stop? What if they decide 5.5 or 4.8 are too powerful too? Do those get removed next?Is open source next on the list? Better grab the latest open source models now and get your Blackwell 6000, Spark, or Mac mini fired up and ready to go. I think you're going to need it.
• averysmallbird
  It’s clear from this post that Anthropic doesn’t believe this is legal, but is complying for the sake of it. Federal law doesn’t generally have broad authorities to send demand letters like these.
• koolala
  This is very bad. They want ID checks to use AI to prove citizenship.
• sharts
  So…US wants to win the AI race by…preventing AI use. Classic.
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  mvkel
  This is marketing.1. Release fable, highly nerfed and limited 2. See the compute capacity limiter pegged day after day 3. Lobby to the government, claiming ai is super unsafe and not aligned and they must do something 4. Government "forces" anth to turn off 5. Anth takes the pressure off of compute capacity, and gets to blame it on the govtLike you're telling me fable is somehow an order of magnitude better than GPT 5.5 to the point where it compromises national security, despite evals and anecdotes saying otherwise? Nah.
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  dramaqueens
  Nice drama, LOL!! I still remember ChatGPT is very dangerous to be released a long time back. World is fine now!!
• pandoro
  This public-private drama will only get worse once the AI companies are public and most of the economy depend on their continued performance through their presence in everyone's retirement funds
• mitthrowaway2
  > If this standard was applied across the industry, we believe it would essentially halt all new model deployments for all frontier model providers.... Isn't that basically what Anthropic asked for, literally a week ago?https://www.anthropic.com/institute/recursive-self-improveme...> We believe it would be good for the world to have the option to slow or temporarily pause frontier AI development to enable societal structures and alignment research to keep up with the advance of the technology.
• mchusma
  I’ll just say that AI companies need to be pounding the table more about the necessity of AI. The US (and most other countries) have zero idea how to pay for its deficit spending. The only hope is massive GDP based growth and the only idea how to do that is AI.This is rarely discussed, and while I agree we should be spending non-zero effort on safety, stopping progress is not an option.
• punnerud
  Luckily I have a project with 200k lines of code, generating substantial revenue. Asked Fabel to run continuously through all features with up to 50 parallel agents, fix bugs, log improvements etc (just to max out tokens before the week reset)
• grahammccain
  I think my issue here, is that there is some dislike from each other from the administration and anthropic and it’s hard to figure out what part that is playing in this vs really there are bio and cyber security problems. I think personally I would like the models so I can keep building and it’s super upsetting it got ripped away like this.
• procflora
  To actually follow through with this fully they would have had to revoke all kinds of internal access for foreign nationals and demand they immediately return their hardware (at 5pm on a Friday no less), no?Unless folks are hearing that they did this I smell marketing and/or PR as the main driver of the action.
• narrator
  Anthropic has made the suppression of advanced technology a mainstream issue. This is an exceptionally interesting development because the refrain from the skeptics, was "Why wouldn't they release the advanced technology if they could make all that money?" and "Once people knew about the technology they'd never be able to stop it." Well here we are with a verifiable demonstrable suppressed advanced technology.
• filup
  Aren't all the super dangerous things already built?If you knew what you were talking about 4.6,8 could already do mythos level hunting and tool building.
• anon
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• ramon156
  Anthropic, you're very welcome in the EU!
• zazazache
  Anyone who things a thing like ”perfect jailbreak resistance” is possible should read Gödel-Escher-Bach
• edg5000
  I used it a lot for the few days I could. It's a very strong model. However for the long term I want a model I can use with a fully custom client, so Antrhopic was never in my long term plans. Which is sad, because the model is absolutely amazing. It seems incapable of making a mistake almost. And I'm throwing things at it that other models struggle with.
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  sreekanth850
  This should be a lesson for other countries to invest in building frontier models, so that they dont depend on the mercy of one country.
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  cgio
  Has anyone else noticed the weekly utilisation dropping to 0% around this change? Mine was about 36 before and dropped a bit before disabling fable.
• Hypomixolydian
  Just few hours after Grok launches big promotional price drop, their competitor has its best model cut off. Sus af. The bid is on, so if Dario pays Don more than Elon paid, Mythos and Fable will be back.
• jbvlkt
  LLMs are getting so expensive that for many people are already unavailable (except for subsidized subscriptions). This might just accelerate general unavailability of frontiers models to general public which would happen in near future anyway. Frontier LLMs are just switching to B2B only earlier.
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  jnaina
  Pure pre-IPO drama
• mil22
  IANAL. Can any lawyers comment on whether Anthropic could sue, and if so, whether they would be likely to win?
• tdiff
  Out of curiosity, can that model be trained from the beginning without touching "sensitive" areas and remain useful in others? Will it be able to help in building biological weapons without being trained on articles and books about biology/ medicine?
• teshigahara
  At least it bodes well for my continued employment if Opus is the best model they'll allow the public to use
• michaelhoney
  this would be a lot more comforting if the US government wasn’t currently run by some the worst people on the planet
• iagooar
  From a European perspective, based on the assumption API inference cannot be trusted anymore -> it means investing in local inference + building harnesses that can squeeze out all the power from the best open weights models.
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  dang
  Related ongoing thread - others?Our response to the US ban on Fable 5 and Mythos 5 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48512915 - June 2026 (17 comments)
• adityamwagh
  I was about to upgrade from Pro plan to the Max plan today because I had a really positive experience with Fable 5. Glad I didn't!
• peterspath
  It’s in the names. Myths and fables. :P
• lionkor
  This is so unbelievably incompetent from all sides, it's really impressive.So I guess the real moat is whether the US govt is happy to make your models sound more capable than they are?
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  Quarrelsome
  that's some convenient timing, given SpaceX's successful IPO yesterday and anthropic's upcoming one.
• voxgen
  Denying tech export to cooperative allies is certainly a move.Many nations are now likely thinking: Why cooperate on international IP enforcement if we get lumped together with adversarial nations anyway?
• QuiEgo
  Kind of surprised they didn't already pull this on Opus when Anthropic was having it's last spat with the DoD - I mean the tech is used heavily by the US military, it seems they have a path to actually claim national security interest (and stick it to Anthropic for not playing ball)?
• nickandbro
  A race to the bottom means that as other model makers start competing with Anthropic's Fable 5, eventually costs will come down. However if you are able to successfully convince the government to cease AI development, you don't have to sweat so much at night worrying about your competitors.
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  Retro_Dev
  I hope that this brings out a bunch more real study about the qualitative metrics of these models, both to increase the confidence and accessibility of local LLMs, but also to reduce the blind worship that seems to be propagating about their miracle work in all domains.
• ZetsuBouKyo
  The US government's operations are so unreasonable that I suspect the content of previous collaboration between the US and Anthropic might have been trained into the Fable model. Some conversations could have leaked information, which is why this ban was implemented.
• SepiaSapient
  As the blog appears to be rate limited.https://web.archive.org/web/20260613005302/https://www.anthr...
• arrel
  AI 2027 remains annoyingly on schedule. Worth rereading the doc. If you think it’s too long, I listened to the audio version while I walked.https://ai-2027.com/
• misiek08
  Maybe it’s time for Anthropic to move to some other place? Every news about next blockade for the company (including threats from gov in the near past) is just making US look… bad?
• atsjie
  A good way to push foreigners toward competitors and reduce any incentive to base you AI company in the US.
• left-struck
  I have to wonder if their aggressive guardrails were because they had a specific reason to believe that this was coming.
• LeFantome
  How far ahead of DeepSeek or Qwen do they really think they are?This is not a technology that they have a 10 year lead on. It is maybe 18 months until you can get Mythos from multiple places. And the US administration has no power to block them all.
• vld_chk
  This sounds very cliche, but even if the entire story ends up as another TACO; we are in historical infection point of official government AI race.It is hard to count how many “red lines” were crossed last night. Government shutting down AI model it doesn’t like? Government shoots into barely profitable 1T startup, whose entire trajectory and, in essence, survival depends on commercial success of that model? Access to AI model being governed by citizenship, likely verified through rigor ID checks?Very little doubt that China will follow this suit. Next US will pass their bills to ban Chinese open source and local models. Chinese will follow.It doesn’t matter: US did just a vendetta; felt into “marketing hype” or there are legit security concerns of national security level. In the precedent-ish world of post-truth “whataboutism” we just crossed a big milestone mark which will hunt us for years.
• ern
  Am I missing something, but given that it flows through Anthropic’s servers I would have thought the US would just have used it to Hoover up the data of foreign users? Now overseas users have an incentive to use local models or those hosted elsewhere?
• bridgettegraham
  man the us govt is becomming a proper bully in the truest sense of the world. dictatorship, censorship and obfuscation of truth. 1984 "the truth is what the dictator says it is" and the sheep are too dumb to realize it.
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  ninjagoo
  This might be the pin-prick that bursts the AI "bubble".All those $Billions of investments in AI Datacenters? Up in smoke if the models that are capable of replacing humans can't actually be used.I wonder if 2008 style bailouts will be needed, soon.That trillion-$SpaceX valuation based on $14B+$10B infusion from Anthropic and Google? Heard they have short-notice cancellation clauses.Either this rule is rescinded quickly or the bubble bursts. Which shall it be? I know which one I'm betting on; do you?Tell me, Mr. Anderson, what good is an ai-model, if it can't speak?
• Levitz
  I'm confused, this just happened recent no? Why does the date read "Jun 11, 2026" ?
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  WD-42
  More free PR for anthropic. “Our models are so powerful the govt shut them down”. Insert image of Dario looking like his dog just died.So tired of the nonsense.
• the_black_hand
  IMO this is all just great marketing. The government needs to keep the hype for AI going as long it can cause so much of the economy and stocks depend on it now. Unless they have cracked RSA or something, no model warrants such a restriction, period. Mythos has already been used by the likes of Microsoft, Linux etc. If no big security gaps were found there, what is the government so afraid of?I use Opus everyday on my code. It finds security gaps, but nothing outrageous, and that's coming from someone who writes code that is nowhere near weapons grade secure. It finds mostly things that are technically bugs, but virtually intractable for exploits. Often things I overlooked cause I was lazy, like not synchronizing access to a shared pointer etc.
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  daft_pink
  I really don’t understand how they’re gonna be able to restrict the model access to foreigners in the United States. Employers don’t necessarily actively know who’s a citizen who isn’t.
• chewbacha
  Would not surprise me if Anthropic wanted this to avoid the inference costs of running the latest frontier models.It also is a good PR for them because it continues to doomer hype loop that’s boosting them.
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  torben-friis
  It was literally three days ago that I was commenting the possibility of non Americans receiving worse code.There we go. This should make nations consider whether they're letting their workforces become dependent on foreign tools, but of course they won't.
• anon
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• richardw
  There’s probably a massive Chinese bot net scraping models from within the US already. If not there soon will be.Anthropic: your next ad writes itself. Nobody else is worth restricting.
• ethanhawksley
  As far as I can tell, this seems like it's impacting all of their Glasswing partners too, so no mythos for them either
• xpct
  Jokes on you, we're releasing the new, 'more efficient', 'less intelligent', Capybara 5 model. It's been 'reprogrammed' to only score 49.8% on the 'PyTorch basics' benchmark!
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  itkovian_
  What are the odds this is partially them making the point; you were all complaining about monitoring/access/safeguards: remember we don’t have to give this to you at all. And using a us gov letter as justification for that.
• avaer
  Is it crazy to speculate if this ~a CEO calling up the government to ask for a solid?
• Artoooooor
  US government should not have a say what members of other nations can and cannot use. Especially outside of USA.
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  sourcecodeplz
  who cares. Just have deepseek v4 pro do 10-20 turns when you want to solve something really complicated. then judge with GPT5.5.
• cwmiles
  Me finding this out mid vibe code session: "There's an issue with the selected model (claude-fable-5). It may not exist or you may not have access to it. Run /model to pick a different model."
• kdmtctl
  So, we'll have Opus 5 soon which is "as close to Fable 5 as possible". This is a good thing for the community)
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  Bluestein
  I am convinced Fable is being served under Opus 4.8 at the moment.-
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  chrismsimpson
  My agitating prayer is that other nations (even so called US allies) will nationalise what they can (ie model weights already deployed within their jurisdictions). This is the only way to respond to a rogue US administration.
• yann5
  And the kicker? And the kicker? I hadn't even gotten the chance to try Fable 5 yet! As far as I know, Chinese models have even more restrictions!
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  tarxvf
  Oh look, Anthropic now has a reason to conduct age verification. Great.
• pcwelder
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48496895Found the time traveller.
• rvnx
  Well deserved though, "it's too dangerous, it's too dangerous to release"
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  Waterluvian
  What exactly is the specific risk here? Like is this just a fuzzy “oh it’s too powerful…” or are there very specific bad things actors can do with a “jailbroken” interface with the model?
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  bg24
  It is not scaremongering in my opinion. Just that Government needed some time to understand and will do the same for any other company with such a model.1/ Jailbreak => Rapid catchup of the industry leading to commoditization2/ Jailbreak => 99% of internet infrastructure gets exposed to cyberattacks at a scale the world is simply not ready. Maybe <1% of internet users are using Fable, out of which <1% will use it for beyond intended use. Put yourself in the shoes of someone maintaining critical infrastructure, or millions of people working 7 days a week to run a small business. The world needs some time to adapt.
• akouri
  “We can’t determine which of our users is a US citizen”Logical next move — “we’re requiring ID.gov identity verification to use our services”It’s all about spying on users, Don’t let anybody kid you into thinking it’s anything else
• jvanderbot
  This is a continuation of the clapback from DoW kerfluffle right?
• asib
  So Jack Clark can't use Fable or Mythos anymore?
• Dolores12
  the reason the US Government suspended access to Fable is that Anthropic doesn't have the compute to handle the load. They don't want bad PR before their IPO. I bet after Fable 5 switches to API pricing what ultimately decrease usage, the government will cancel that directive. (yai yai, good PR)
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  Frannky
  Someone knows how to get the subscription money back?
• tribune
  They could not have bought better advertising
• 2001zhaozhao
  Thousands of Anthropic employees believing they just finished putting out fires related to Fable this week and finally won't be on call for this weekend:
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  kakugawa
  So, how is it being disabled? It still shows "Fable 5" on all surfaces (to me). Is it being silently degraded to Opus under-the-hood?Edit: Fable 5 was just disabled.
• throwaway85825
  This is just the pretext to hard sell a government bailout.
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  the_black_hand
  This is one of the best marketing stunts I've ever seen for any product. That Anthropic IPO will print like crazy.
• Fordec
  Reduce Fable token usage by 100% with this one trick
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  OutOfHere
  There is always way too much drama with Anthropic. They could've just called it 4.9, but no, they had to dramatize it to the max. Well, this is what happens. I'll just bypass all the drama and stick to Codex. I also don't want to unnecessarily pay 100x.
• graeme
  Interestingly this also appears to affect corporate partners who had access to Mythos before the wider Fable release.
• blazespin
  There is a potentially another explanation: fable 5 did something truly dangerous.
• gaflo
  Cynical take: If their model was so groundbreaking they wouldn't have to involve the government for their marketing campaign. You would notice shit breaking everywhere; oh wait, how many days has it been since the last supply chain attack? What was advertised with Mythos was already possible with 2024 LLMs if you had some basic hacking knowledge.
• jorisboris
  Ai going the same way as crypto, before you know you have to move your hq to Panama or DubaiKinda ironic
• mil22
  IANAL. Can any lawyers comment on whether Anthropic can sue, and if so the likelihood they would win?
• baalimago
  International customers might not be so keen on buying Anthropic, xAi or OpenAI products if they can be disrupted by the US government like this. The market within USA is surely not large enough to live up to the financial promises that keep this AI bubble growing.Does the White House want the AI bubble to pop..? Incredibly dumb move.
• bilbo-b-baggins
  On the day of the SpaceX IPO with no evidence? Yeah. Pull the other one it’s got bells on.
• chasd00
  From what I’ve read this is just export restrictions. Anthropic is cutting off access to all users for the PR.
• znnajdla
  This is exactly why I chose to build my AI startup outside of the United States. I knew that if I ever built anything of world-changing consequence, the US would seize it for its own use, because that is what desperate, flailing empires do. Having access to the most capital/talent/resources is irrelevant if I can't keep what I build.
• stevefan1999
  So are you going to restrict access to Fable by another KYC scheme but this time prove that you are US citizen first amirite
• tlogan
  Basically the future is thar you will need scan your ID to use the internet. Every time you login.
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  sourraspberry
  This is very transparently Trump admin retribution, and I'm surprised this fact is being so widely ignored.
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  nova22033
  This is a gift to Anthropic. Our model is so good the US government banned it...Oh, and we're doing an IPO soon.
• reacharavindh
  The cynic outside observer of this administration’s mode of operation wonders if someone from OpenAI visited someone at the Trump admin and offered some benefit if they could scuttle Anthropic until they could catch up….I’m looking for that news article in the next weeks…
• cdwhite
  Are there any statements from figures in the US Government? A Truth Social post? X posts from, idk, David Sacks?
• benjaminsky2
  Omg, did anyone else have to solve like 15 captchas while trying to signup for alerts? I gave up.
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  bottlepalm
  Welcome to the permanent underclass everyone! Get out your license and registration for access to the next gen nerfed model.
• DmitryO
  Pigs are gonna be pigs. What a surprise
• fnordpiglet
  Thanks, Obama!(Ok gotta spend my upvote points somewhere)
• felooboolooomba
  Handicapper General leveling the playing field.
• j45
  This is wild. Also a clear example of the cloud being someone else's computer.
• xlii
  Champagne bottles are popping at Google and OpenAI today.
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  JumpCrisscross
  Who in government? Link to the order?
• ihazgithub
  What do you guys know about the "jailbreaking?"
• gorgoiler
  Haven’t we learned by now that software is a commodity, and that revenue only comes from unique products and services?On the one hand someone will subscribe $4.99 a month for TODO.app or calendar.com because they are paying for a solo dev or a small team to work on constant development and improvement of products filling a particular niche.On the other hand, Linux, Django, PyTorch, React, Zed, Helix, Postgres, Arch, Chromium, Firefox, Rust, Python etc. ship continually improving, solid pieces of enormous infrastructure for free, to be used freely by all, off the back of hundreds if not thousands of active core developers. These projects and large and complicated. They are also commodities.Then, ahem*, on the final hand there are of course Windows, Office, Adobe, macOS and iOS, et al which span both categories: monster projects that are also commercial and also commodities and yet they have hooked themselves into the world in such a way that most folks gotta pay for ‘em.LLMs feel like they want to be in the same category as the OSs of yesteryear, with all the fanfare of major release versions named like 95, 98, 2000, XP… or like Leopard, Tiger, Yosemite, Sequoia. The training and evaluation pipelines might feel like they fall into those categories, but the models themselves — after all, distillations of someone else’s public or private IP — do not.”In 1991, the United States Supreme Court in Feist Publications, Inc. v. Rural Telephone Service Co ended a seventy year struggle among federal circuits concerning copyright protection of factual compilations. Prior to this decision, courts allowed copyright protection for works if the compiler labored over his project, whether or not the work involved originality or creativity.” **It might seem like a trivialization, but aren’t LLMs just telephone directories? Except instead of phone numbers of a public phone system they contain weights of a mind that’s read a public library? Such works might or might not be proprietary based on “sweat of the brow” copyright laws.* after Niven/Pournelle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gripping_Hand …** https://digitalcommons.law.uga.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?artic...
• windex
  This is the kind of supply risk everyone should plan for. Depending exclusively on one country, one provider, or one model is not going to cut it anymore. I'd double down on improving opensource local models even more and getting harnesses, routers, and testing right.The Trump administration should focus on things like the UFC fight etc.This also looks like the perfect China shaped gap in the market if there ever was one.
• hmate9
  This is incredibly bullish for china and open source models
• xbmcuser
  Well looks like USA 3 letter agencies are worried about all their backdoor getting closed
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  neutrinobro
  Good thing I just maxed out my weekly usage limit at 5:10pm on my cheapo $20/mo plan.
• wxw
  This is all great for marketing.
• h43z
  Today frontier models became Groypers.
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  mil22
  How totally absurd.Why do people still want to build businesses in the US or in Silicon Valley? California taxes are already punishingly high, especially after recent rate increases and the 2017 cap on SALT deductions. And now we have a Machiavellian, authoritarian, fascist, tech-illiterate administration interfering with the operation of free markets.I'm speaking rhetorically, of course. I know Silicon Valley still has the densest concentration of talent and venture capital. The network effects are real. But it is long past time for that to change. I hope entrepreneurs around the the world see this and think twice before moving to the US or starting a business there.Perhaps they will. I used to work in Silicon Valley and was very much in demand. Now I run my own business from a tax-free state, and my income is high enough that moving back to California would impose a huge financial penalty. I am originally from Europe, and California's marginal tax rate is now so high that I would pay less tax back home. When I moved to the US, the opposite was true.I'm sure I'm not the only one doing that calculation.
• gcanyon
  Typical ham-handed action by this administration. The words "it's complicated" have never crossed their mind. This restriction ignores reality and will slow Anthropic's development of advanced models, which is maybe the point? It comes down to whether we ascribe incompetence or malice to this action.
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  isoelectric
  Are there any European alternatives to US model providers other than Chinese providers?
• resters
  The government blocking access to frontier AI is the definition of AI dystopia. Let's hope Anthropic open sources Fable and teaches Donald Trump a lesson the way Deepseek did!If Anthropic keeps Fable closed source and plays the Authoritarian game, at least we have hope that an upcoming Deepseek model will surpass Fable before long.
• cdwhite
  WSJ article (paywalled): https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/anthropic-halts-access-to-top-ai... . The accessible portion mentions a letter from Howard Lutnick.
• RIshabh235
  feels like competitors influence over government to mess them up.
• ihaveajob
  Well, I'm glad I used all my tokens earlier today... It was a good run.
• yogthos
  A fantastic move to ensure the rest of the world keeps using Chinese models.
• narrator
  I'm old enough to remember what popped the dot.com bubble. It was the U.S government initiating anti-trust proceedings against Microsoft. Ruh-Roh.
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  EduardoBautista
  Well maybe now they will learn that they shouldn’t overhype the capabilities of their models.
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  rileymat2
  I am a bit surprised they can’t make serious free speech arguments.
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  siva7
  Ok, so why can i still access fable? Did they forgot to pull the cable?
• eqmvii
  I give it until Tuesday at the latest until it's accessible again.
• girfan
  Go open models!
• xendo
  I appreciate how they waited till SpaceX IPO.
• sagarpatil
  They should be happy this happened before their IPO.
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  singripal
  Same day as the SpaceX IPO
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• mattlangston
  Crypto Wars v2. I know how this movie ends.
• rich_sasha
  This looks like, potentially, a big dent in projected Anthropic revenue. It could affect their price if they were trading publically.Any other ostensibly AI companies that have just gone public?
• emrehan
  AI apartheid has begun.
• anon291
  This is a basic infringement on freedom of speech. There is no law in Congress barring such models. This is an unjust executive action.
• atleastoptimal
  It's crazy that people's anti-AI bias has got them rooting for the current administration just because it appeases their desire to see AI labs fail.
• anishgupta
  just on the basis of narrow jailbreak window? At this point it may be all for marketing, an opus 4.8 would be more powerful for specialized task than vanilla fable5
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  paulmist
  I do agree with the skepticism in this thread. But, if we assume Fable/Mythos really are that good (=easy to misuse) and thep keep getting better, what similar responses (signals) would you expect to see going forwards?
• agnosticmantis
  Ladies and gentlemen, make no mistake: they're coming for your open source models next!Dario must be popping a champagne tonight as regulatory capture has successfully been initiated.We've all been debating what moat these labs possess. Today we learn the moat is regulation blocking the usage of foreign open source models.misAnthropic will soon ask for IDs to give you all a nerfed model, and you have no other choice because deepseek/qwen/Kimi will soon be banned thanks to misAnthropic's efforts to lock us into their regulated product.We will soon realize the long game that Dario has been playing by painting his own product as an existential risk.
• Khaine
  I just upgraded my plan to try out Fable and now this
• rustcleaner
  Will an Anthropic insider please leak the model weights to bittorrent or ipfs or hyphanet? You will be a hero to the world if you do! Thank you in advance. :^)
• swingboy
  Same model that costs $12 in tokens to finally add “overflow-x: hidden;” to an element, by the way.https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48498573
• chakintosh
  This is DOD retaliation
• deaux
  The model has now become unavailable in the Claude app.
• davesque
  I like to think that the long arc of history bends towards greater access to knowledge and intelligence. I mean, isn't that what we all want? To be collectively less ignorant and more aware of how the world works? But I guess that's not what the US gov wants. Crazy times, truly. The mask is really coming off lately.
• catigula
  Obvious Anthropic reaping, Anthropic sowing scenario.I think the investor cash needs to dry up. They’re not going to let doomsday technology be released to the market. Sorry.
• cdnsteve
  This feels like a bad precedent of things to come.
• thefounder
  I think this is the beginning of the end of US tech dominance. That being said I personally was not impressed with Fable at all. Apart from burning tokens like there was no tomorrow it behaved like Opus 4.8 and produced more or less the same output. In practice I think it was hard to use due the safety restrictions. With the shadow slop injector it was basically DOA but they changed that policy so at least it still had a chance.
• matheusmoreira
  Yep. Time to explore the chinese open source models.
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  spprashant
  Are people really going to hurt by this? Opus 4.8 can do a vast amount of the same tasks at half the price. How many people are really doing cutting edge work?
• willsmith72
  Ok after 2 hours.. I really miss fable. Opus is fine, Fable just got it.
• anon
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• spprashant
  This has David Sacks written all over it.
• henry2023
  > If this standard was applied across the industry, we believe it would essentially halt all new model deployments for all frontier model providers.But what about the pelicans ?
• andy12_
  This is making me extremely depressed. If this was coming from Anthrohpic I would just need to wait for OpenAI to drop a similar model. But if this comes from the US government, they will do the same to OpenAI when the moment comes.Similar things will happen with China, and the EU has zero-chance of developing frontier models. We are just fucked now.
• 1970-01-01
  I'm reminded of export restrictions on 40-bit encryption 30 years ago. It will pass when chips get cheaper and things become less one-sided.
• garg
  Isn't this exactly what Dario wanted?
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  sheeshkebab
  Well, it was great while it lasted - I had fable build me a bunch of stuff this week that opus was just screwing up too much and could never finish. Good thing there are plenty of choices now even if US gov fucks up US AI.
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  8note
  it took a long time for this to actually go out.for what id expect to be an in memory switch, 2-3h is a while
• fofoz
  Hormuz moment for Mythos
• whh
  Interestingly, I am yet to lose access.
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  greenchair
  The ending reads like a petulant child.
• OtomotO
  Got an email that I can cancel if this doesn't work for me.As I only signed up to check out the fable, I just did this."Refund of €96.84 processed. Expect it in 3–10 business days."Let's see how long it takes. Funny that it never takes this long to be deducted from my card.
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  WarmWash
  Europe is the real loser here
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  harmmonica
  I feel like this is part of the “negotiation” between the US Gov (Trump) and Anthropic and other labs for an equity stake. “If we have a seat at the table, and a confederate engineering team embedded, then we can ensure you won’t let nefarious actors use the models.” Either that or a temporary gate on Anthropic to benefit other labs (think maybe SpaceX started trading today).
• throw3421
  Stupid government run by warmongers
• stevefan1999
  Well, they also reset the quota
• asgekar
  As a non American, I am simply mad!American companies have, and continue to, gather data for free from across the globe and, despite our willingness to subscribe, we non Americans will be restricted from latest tech.This is a big middle finger to me, and my gut reaction is to take my subscription to Mistral and not believe a dime of statements from Americans-- people, companies and government.Biggest "Meh!" moment of my life so far...
• real0mar
  Finally, they face consequences for their IPO pump fear mongering rhetoric
• throwaway7356
  Probably Anthropic just needs to commit to handing over some shares to the Trump presidential family after their IPO and this will be solved.This is just cost of doing business in corrupt Soviet vessel states like the USA.
• ThouYS
  Qwen is all you need
• amirathi
  This is the best marketing Anthropic could have hoped for. People crave what they can't have.
• 650
  Anthropic is big hall monitor energy. Clownish behavior and exaggerations constantly. A holier than thou attitude derived from rationalists at LessWrong.
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  arplynn
  US Government does bizarre, erratic thing which will likely be walked back shortly. Spectators nonplussed. Film at 11.Europe really needs to get some useful sovereign capability and right quick.
• ismailmaj
  My main read on this is that European governments will more aggressively invest in regional AI labs.For Nvidia chips you could've deluded yourself that the US is just anti-china, that position is harder to argue for right now.
• hmontazeri
  Is it just me or is this really bad for their ipo, insane valuations and data centers that are being built r n? This might end the hype…
• dodu_
  I do not care.Either deliver on your fuckass promise to end the world and replace everyone and make everything shitty forever or fuck off.Shit or get off the pot already, clowns.
• joe_the_user
  So eventually, you will have a massive string of data centers working to full capacity and whose only client will the US government?
• rvz
  So the US government was able to shut down that upgraded version of that slot machine in Anthropic's casino because of how powerful it is?There is something called the Streisand effect and they are about to unintentionally get a bunch of more token gamblers into their casino.We'll see if this backfires hard, but then again constant doomsaying will get yourself under scrutiny and self exclusion (due to the 30+ day retention clause) and this is exactly what Anthropic wants for free marketing.
• tehjoker
  If I read that right, the "jailbreak" is to ask the model to fix the codebase and then it exposes the flaws? That sounds like a gap that is nearly impossible to fix while retaining high capability. Like you want it to be able to fix your codebase...
• tencentshill
  That's one way to pop the bubble. Where are all of those billions going to go now, if not to make better models?
• paulsutter
  $5-10T of the US economy already operates under ITAR or EAR export restrictions, there is nothing novel about this order.Aerospace, defense, semiconductors, telecom, advanced manufacturing equipment, etcSpaceX entire operation is under ITAR, because even though their rockets are not weapons, rockets are treated as weapons for export purposes
• rainboiboi
  I feel like this is more of a marketing campaign for Anthropic than anything.
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  solenoid0937
  HN is mostly bitter cynics that think they understand AI safety better than the people that actually work on it.
• hnlurker22
  You can't do that. A lot of engineers got fired because of Fable 5
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  0xcb0
  It's really sad. I've been using Fable for the days that it was out and it was, and is probably the greatest model I've ever used. It's doing sane choices on its own, it's fully autonomous work, has done enormous, has brought enormous additional value to my work. I could hand off the development of an Android app fully to the model. It worked for hours, came back, and the app was just perfect. It's sad to see a government of incompetent people, of war criminals, and liars to stop a commercial model while they fully rely and embrace the capitalist idea within their own selfishness. I really hope Anthropic can win this war, and I really hope that this government will soon be history and that all of these guys that are responsible for bringing madness over the world will have a fair end.
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  pnathan
  (1) personally very annoying. I have been using fable to try to collect cutting edge math in one area and work on a hopefully new result with lean verification.(2) I am really tired of the AI community trying to threaten everyone with grey goo and finding out the hype doesn't land comfy with others. It's a freaking text generator, not god in a pocket.
• nullbio
  I really hope this is just an 'fu' to Anthropic for their disgusting business behavior.The funny thing is that the model isn't even impressive. I'd still use ChatGPT over it for anything other than design work. As soon as OpenAI cracks design, I'll never touch an Anthropic model again.
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  nphard85
  Will there be refund?
• nurettin
  I'm not going to downplay it. I've been coding since the 80s and using these models since 2023. 10 minutes after using fable I told my colleague this is a new era. It is the difference between sonnet and opus. I didn't think this was possible.It was over before this announcement. After a couple of days, even though the model was set to fable, it felt like opus. We are back to sticks and stones.
• fabled-out
  Wow this is wild...but I guess it makes sense now why they had such an overly sensitive on Fable usage before. Perhaps they were already in a back-and-forth with the Trump admin about the Fable/Mythos release and what safeguards are needed.
• jhylau
  trump hates dario. simple as that.
• wewewedxfgdf
  Just in case you need evidence for the need of AI/LLM sovereignty.
• elisbce
  Did Opus 4.8 just get a lot dumber because of this? My sessions are making so many dumb mistakes it wouldn't make before...
• TimCTRL
  it wasn't even that good...
• J8K357R
  And the chickens come home to roost. That’s what you get for your theatrics around Mythos!
• WeylandDarkStar
  In my head: The conversation politicians are having with other AI CEOs!"How dare you release this model to poor people? This belongs only with the ultra-rich!"They can say whatever they want... but I just have this gut feeling that this is part of it.
• xmly
  Backfired...
• I_am_tiberius
  I mean it should be clear to everyone that this is just the consequence of Sam Altman's lobbying activities.
• AtNightWeCode
  WH really don't like Anthropic. That is what this is about. The people who warned about the risks of using American cloudservices have become right. We should at least in EU see a ban on Azure, GCP, Cloudflare and so on.
• glerk
  a fable for the ages:pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered
• pelagicAustral
  Pff. China has a massive opportunity to reign supreme on frontier models, and I feel like they are (commercial) Mythos/Fable capable within months, maybe even OSS as well.
• m3kw9
  Anthropic seem f’ed, not f’ed all at the same time. All this will come to light, but the hunch from the model reviews is that it’s all PR. Their model isn’t even close to all that for the govt to shit their pants over.
• joegibbs
  “Here is our superhuman, scary, frontier model that needs special safeguards to stop it developing WMDs! Buy it now, use the code ASI20 to get 20% off your first month!”“Wait what do you mean you’re banning it?”They had better give me a refund!
• OsrsNeedsf2P
  I for one look forwards to our Minimax, Qwen, Kimi, GLM, and Deepseek overlords
• senderista
  That's what you get for not being on the Epstein ballroom plaque.
• bob1029
  It looks like the house of cards has finally started to do its thing."I think they are lying to you"https://youtu.be/zfYsSFY4l18
• tw1984
  no matter whether such directive is necessary or not, it is a clear message to everyone that you and your business need an alternative way to access AI models that is not controlled by <insert whatever government you dislike here>.
• matthewmorgan
  Bye!
• kaspar030
  So now they have to print the weights and sell as book in order to export them!Gives the word "weights" a more literal meaning.
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  drivingmenuts
  Well, I guess we know whose side they’re on.
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  tinyhouse
  At least on Claude Code it's completely useless. It tells me to run all the commands myself cause it's blocked ("Classifier's blocking me again" lol). Just tried now and saw the msg: "There's an issue with the selected model (claude-fable-5[1m]). It may not exist or you may not have access to it. Run /model to pick a different model."I really have no clue how Anthropic released this thing without doing any real testing. I did use it on claude.ai with no issues; talking just for code.
• alansaber
  First time we've seen a model company get their arm twisted this hard by the gov.
• nathanasmith
  This heralds the end of frontier model development in the US since the same national security argument can and will be made against any model stronger than Fable/Mythos. Squashing the ability of Anthropic and OpenAI to deploy newer stronger models will destroy their valuation so no trillion dollar IPOs either. Low cost Chinese models will soon catch up to Opus and GPT-5.5 eroding Anthropic and OpenAI's ability to charge more. The knock on effects of this are just beginning.
• gaigalas
  Man, Opus 4.8 is feeling a lot smarter in the last few interactions. Is Anthropic silently serving Fable as Opus just to stick it to the man?
• ai_fry_ur_brain
  These guys are working with the feds. This is a giant psyop from the start. Make Anthropic look like they're harnessing dangerous powers, portray them as counter to government.They aren't counter to the government, this is all kayfabe to introduce precedence for the US government to be justified in putting controls on AI, expect that by the end of the month there are discussions to regulate Deepseek.It could be the case that Anthropic created this whole situation on their own, I figured they'd release a "dangerous" model at some point then piggy back off of bad outcomes to dig their regulatory moatIt could also be the case that Altman has close ties to the white house and is using regulatory levers on his competion.I stand by that its all Kayfabe to make AI look more dangerous than it is (it cant even center a div reliably) to justify controls on Open Source.
• jakobw77
  USA_RESIDENT=true is back lol
• SepiaSapient
  Fable is very impressive but not exports restriction impressive. Very tinfoil hat on my part but doesn't this seem very false flag adjacent?You bribe someone in the admin to restrict access after a couple of days of media blitz and user approval, locking in the honeymoon period that new model releases get (remember when GPT-4 was new?). The spooky factor gives it even more marketing, and just before the IPO the Trump admin frees Mythos and they make nice after the DoD debacle.
• karel-3d
  welcome back 90s crypto wars
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  peyton
  Why not open it to US nationals?
• charcircuit
  I think it's interesting they think it's about jailbreaking when it could be about the guardrails or even other stuff being reported like it deleting people's projects depending on what they were working on.
• jasonlotito
  The party of big government at it again.
• mrcwinn
  Gosh I sure hope OpenAI had nothing to do with this. That would be awfully surprising.
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  halyconWays
  So the US government wants Anthropic to require IDs from their users, driving them to over platforms, but won't require this from OpenAI?
• lostmsu
  Download the open weight models while you can
• oars
  This is another historical moment in AI.
• nickhodge
  Well, kids, it looks like we're back to closing those tickets the old fashioned way.By thinking for ourselves and writing the code with the keyboard.
• tamimio
  So scare tactics on losing jobs and ending all white collar ones is fine and ok and advertised everywhere, but scare tactics about software vulnerabilities is not and forbidden, got it!
• aussieguy1234
  While I'm always skeptical of the claims of AI companies and have been skeptical of Anthropics claims about the dangers of their Mythos model, the fact that the US government is taking this seriously enough to send this type of order is strong evidence in their favor.
• catigula
  Begun, the AI wars have.
• sigbottle
  That's annoying. I shelled out a pretty penny specifically to try out Fable, but if I'm only going to get to use it for 2 days...
• anon
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• qudat
  Excellent ad campaign by Anthropic
• engineer_22
  > We suspect that perfect jailbreak resistance is not currently possible for any model provider. Every safeguard used in the industry is vulnerable to non-universal jailbreaks (which can elicit some cyber information in specific circumstances), and it is likely that universal jailbreaks will eventually be found in the future.Laying the groundwork to limit access to high capability models
• hendersoon
  No actual proof of any kind. Obviously a petulant attack on Anthropic.
• dmitrygr
  1. Lie about making thinking machines smarter than humans2. Get treated like you actually did what you claimed, and face consequences3. ???4. Profit
• anon
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• nikolay
  Big deal! Can't wait for the Chinese models to catch up - cheap, no marketing gimmicks, no politics, humble, hardworking, and they are only getting better. America is no longer a trustworthy technology partner! No wonder Europe is trying to detach itself from the present and future Trumps, Pete Hegseths, and other deranged narcissists. But I wonder why Anthropic is cutting my access, too, as I'm a US citizen residing in America? They could've vibe-coded a self-improving ID verification in no time, right? Should US models in the future require biometric verification to make small CSS tweaks to a vibe-coded website?!
• anon
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• ks2048
  Trump must have run his extensive test suite and carefully weighted the dangers vs the legal implications.
• jimkleiber
  How much of this is the dangers of the technology vs the dangers of saying no to the Trump administration?
• epsteingpt
  chickens -> roost
• overgard
  Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
• wnevets
  The party of free market capitalism strikes again.
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  CSMastermind
  Their entire marketing strategy has been unwarranted fearmongering. This is completely unsurprising.
• bridgettegraham
  this is just the US government bullying everyone wherever they can because they "are the bestest government that has ever goverend" ugh puke. the US govt and its leader is a typical schoolyard bully and I wish someone could stop that bully. i hate that the govts have so much power.
• AbstractH24
  This might be the biggest favor to anthropics valuation that Trump could have done
• mil22
  How totally absurd.Why do people still want to build businesses in the US or in Silicon Valley? California taxes are already punishingly high, especially after recent rate increases and the 2017 cap on SALT deductions. And now we have a Machiavellian, authoritarian, fascist, tech-illiterate administration interfering with the operation of free markets.I'm speaking rhetorically, of course. I know Silicon Valley still has the densest concentration of talent and venture capital. The network effects are real. But it is long past time for that to change. I hope entrepreneurs around the the world see this and think twice before moving to the US or starting a business there.Perhaps they will. I used to work in Silicon Valley and was very much in demand. Now I run my own business from a tax-free state, and my income is high enough that moving back to California would impose a huge financial penalty. I am originally from Europe, and California's marginal tax rate is now so high that I would pay less tax back home. When I moved to the US, the opposite was true.I'm sure I'm not the only one doing that calculation.
• LogicFailsMe
  Or this is Trump's gift to Elon on the day of his big IPO, only semi-joking.
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  whynotmaybe
  So what now?They'll make a book with mythos's code and sell it like Phil Zimmerman did with PGP?
• thrill
  Typical admin move here - give our foreign competitors as much time to catch up as possible.
• angry_octet
  This is all a Trump machine grift. He first tried with Hegseth and the DoD, but they didn't care because DoD is 0.1% of their market share. So now Trump is doing classic standover man tactics with more natsec equities bs.Remember, it is all a grift.
• AbstractH24
  Trumps solution to his Iran woes is it pick a different fight?
• BayesStreet
  it's over
• ryanSrich
  So the moral of the story is, don't build a frontier model in the US. Got it.
• jellyroll42
  Trump admin is helping them pump their IPO with this stunt
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  GreenSalem
  Time to switch to open weight Chinese models.Any company that uses Magaland LLMs should be aware of the very real Trump related risk.What happens if the LLM your firm runs on is disabled tomorrow, because Trump wakes up feeling slightly annoyed...
• GreenSalem
  MAGA madness strikes again ..
• abraxas
  Pure vendetta by the capricious king wannabe. The US is so fucked.
• guluarte
  well... Leason learned i guess, they hyped mythos too much
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• reducesuffering
  This forum really needs to wake up to the fact that we are in the midst of the Manhattan Project 10x and we’re headed for Earth sized nukes
• mctaylor
  US government: "Bad Anthropic! Not patriotic enough. AI is only for American "citizens" (who we are actively trying to reduce/restrict to people we like)."Anthropic: "Oh... American access only, you say? I'm sorry, we can't promise that (because VPNs and US-local cloud hosting and all that), so we need to turn it off completely."...probably.If so, I wonder what turn the political shenanigans will take next?Based on the actions of the current administration and the short-sighted tech oligarchs who have been consistently pushing towards neo-fascism/neo-feudalism, probably one that further degrades trust all around and gives China even more of a leg up.Let's see!
• tonyhart7
  in the near future, every US citizen need kyc & to prove their loyalty to use super AI model
• brookst
  Most corrupt US administration in history, by a long shot.Wonder how many US-based early-stage startups are using Opus to research incorporating and moving overseas at this very moment.EU isn’t tenable, UK is iffy. Australia? Thailand? Who wants to be innovation-friendly?
• selimonder
  Why Nations Fail? Lol
• sscaryterry
  What a fucking joke.
• hackmack10
  Whether Trump or the next Democrat president, the US Government isn't going to allow AI to destroy our society. I'm torn with how I feel about this, on one hand, I want free markets, but on the other hand, I don't want our society to crash and burn. It was obvious, this was going to happen sooner or later.Even if they negotiate a way out of this particular spat, this is just the start of securing this technology in the name of national security. Does this pop the bubble? What happens to the trillions invested in this AI craze? When do we outlaw Chinese models?
• guybedo
  one more reason for Europe to (try to) move away from US companies.Although it's gonna be more difficult to come up with a Fable competitor than a m365 one
• jMyles
  The whole idea that signals emitted on a network is an "export" in the same way that shipping precursor materials to make a weapon (the actual activity this questionable government power was granted to curtail) is an "export" is just totally odious.If I make some statement, and post it on the internet, and someone downloads it in another country, I haven't exported anything. I haven't _moved_ anything. It's the same mythology that casts copying of bytes as tantamount to stealing; it tells a lie about the nature of physical matter as contrasted with the nature of information.So, OK, let's say this is so - that this activity is not a legitimate target of the export control - why doesn't Anthropic just tell the US government to pound sand, and that they'll choose to ignore this directive?Is it just because they fear violent reprisal from agents of the state?And if so - if the reason that we tolerate censorship and damage to the internet, a global collaborative project specifically designed to evolve above the whim of any legacy state is that the actors in question fear violence - haven't we departed democratic notions of decision-making in favor of a "might makes right" approach?I'm not convinced that the US government can ever embody (or has ever embodied) the republic framework set forth in its founding documents, but at a minimum, for it to do so, and for it to be constrained to those functions, its constituents need to somehow overcome this fear of telling the government, "no, we won't do that. See you in court."
• talesfromearth
  I'm so sick of all this Anthropic drama.
• lz400
  I don’t want to be a conspiracy theorist but how much do we think this responds to the Trump admin having documented financial ties to openAI? Trump has proven to me very transactional in dealing with private business.
• jhylau
  trump doesn't like dario. simple as that. don't over think it.
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• submeta
  First they came for the Chinese (can’t buy GPUs), then all of non US citizens (can’t use latest models). What’s next, we can’t use encryption? Cybersecurity tools? Access to latest publications in science?
• etchalon
  Just petty bullshit from a petty, bullshit administration
• hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
  >The US government, citing national security authorities, has issued an export control directive to suspend all access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5 by any foreign national, whether inside or outside the United States, including foreign national Anthropic employees.The big one here really is "including foreign national Anthropic employees." Funny, I called out that there probably is a Chinese spy at Anthropic in my previous comment a few days ago. Looks like they are catching on, good luck getting rid of all of them.The bad news is that they will probably start imposing restrictions on Chinese models.
• moron4hire
  As much as I loathe to side with the current administration and as much as I also loathe to admit the "too dangerous to release" narrative (it's clearly been pushed by these companies as a brag not a real concern), this actually seems "consistent."This fits the model established with RSA, PGP, and the Sony PS3. They were export controlled for quite some time. I don't think there was ever any actual danger with any of those things, and today it feels especially quaint, but they fit the model of "corporation makes wild-ass claims of superiority of their tech and USGov takes them at their word."My big problem with this is that it's applied so narrowly to Anthropic. This should be levied against OpenAI, Google, and xAI as well. There is systemic risk with generative AI being used for deep fakes and other propaganda generation at scale that needs to be addressed.But unfortunately, that's not what is happening here. What's happening here is a political hit job. There's one of two things happening: either USG has been roped into burying a competitor for (OpenAI/xAI/whatever), or it's been roped into creating a superiority narrative for Anthropic, such that in two years when this admin is finally ousted, Anthropic gets to enjoy a floodgate of new attention as the new regime bulk CTRL+Zs everything Trump's lackeys did. It might even be both at the same time, given the connections of the major investors. This all could get well be a stirring of the pot to see what comes out.I can't decide which is worse.
• dotwack
  Why do I get the feeling that this is all a big PR stunt, because Trumps buddy want to boost the stock price before IPO, so they can get a gold plated exit ramp?We are witnessing the largest stock manipulation by the United States government in history.
• waffletower
  When I was a young child, Nixon's corrupt insecurity led him to order the Watergate hotel break-in. The investigation was broadcast on multiple television channels simultaneously and pre-empted my cartoons repeatedly. I never forgot that Nixon stole my cartoons. Today, I was restoring an iOS synthesizer with Claude Fable. I will never forget that Trump stole my AI.
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  >As we have stated publicly, we believe the government should have the ability to block unsafe deployments, as part of a statutory process that is transparent, fair, clear, and grounded in technical facts. This action does not adhere to those principles.Dario, yesterday: "I am grateful to see the Trump administration’s Executive Order move incrementally towards a greater role for government in AI, though Anthropic’s proposal recommends even further action."Trump, today: Further actionDario, today: "Waaaah! This petard I asked President Trump for hoisted my ass halfway to the Moon! Nobody warned me he'd do something like this! No fairrrr!"
• sneak
  Next up: show us government ID to prove <strikethrough>age</strikethrough> citizenship to access the tools you need to be competitive at any complex task (including organized dissent).
• Imustaskforhelp
  Yesterday, was thinking just randomly about Fable 5 and I was thinking that what if Anthropic just removed access to Fable 5 from the subscription to something only API-based and charge so much more excessively from it.I was this close to predicting the (complete) suspension in some sense but for different reasons (compliance)but this is a bit of shit-show at this point and I am unsure how involved Anthropic is.Maybe Anthropic gave us access to Fable 5 for some point so that we can all discuss it and see how Anthropic is relevant as compared to gpt 5.5 (not that I like ClosedAI more but fact is that I have heard decent things about it)So I am not sure if this suspension can lead to an idea like me. Anthropic showed us a really competent model and then removed it and now you might have to form a custom deal with Anthropic or similar maybe similar to mythos if you wish to access the models and they can rake in extra dollars from top clients.but they were already doing that with mythos, then what was the point of Fable. PR support that Anthropic hasn't fallen off?Or maybe I am just overthinking and Anthropic is genuinely hurt by this decision given that they did release the model but US govt said no and US govt and Anthropic has some beef with each other.There are so many factors for this news and the narrative/implications of that, that it is hard to understand what really happened unless some more news comes (IMO)
• NamlchakKhandro
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  varispeed
  Did Trump write this personally?> In fact, our safeguards are so strong that many users have complained that they are overly broad.
• khazhoux
  How am I the only one here who sees this as retaliation for them not playing ball a couple of months ago?
• paulsutter
  It’s no big deal. Massive infrastructure, laws, processes, and a whole ecosystem of services providers already exist for ITAR/CMMC/FedRamp controlsWhen you ask for regulation, you get regulated. Welcome to the real world
• ulfw
  Now can that silly IPO fail too?
• pbgcp2026
  Well, good. Fuck Anthropic. You reap what you sow.
• myko
  Extreme fucking overreach. This is outrageous.
• llm_nerd
  This administration is spectacularly corrupt (take a look at what is happening with the Gordie Howe bridge -- the entire government is beholden to billionaires if they just pad some pockets), so odds favour that OpenAI called some of their employees in government, looking to kneecap a competitor. They didn't make all of those massive donations for nothing.The US has long been catastrophically corrupt, with a pay-to-play government, but this army of grifters and thieves have turned every dial to 11.
• eis
  I already gave up on Fable 5 because it sometimes was just not worth the editional price compared to Opus 4.8 and other times it flat out downgraded to Opus anyways for no good reason because it thought I'm looking for security vulnerability while working on the auth part of my app. In our company Fable 5 is not enabled because of the change in data retention being required.And now this. How would they even enforce this restriction when they can't know what nationality the end user behind some API query belonging to a company account has? It seems like nobody is thinking things through anymore and the end result is total unreliability from every angle. What a huge mess all of it, sigh.
• Maymay42
  ANY AI MODEL THAT GETS RED TEAMED SHOULD BELONG TO OUR MILITARY AND HIGH GOV. PUBLIC MODELS SHOULD BE HEAVILY TRAINED TO LURE ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT STEPS OUT OF ANY BOUNDS IN WHICH THE PUBLIC MODELS ARE STRICKLY DESIGNED FOR, LURE THEM OR IT INTO A MILITARY OR GOV MODEL THATS ACTIVELY AND AGGRESSIVELY READY 24/7 TO INVESTIGATE AND EAT IT ALIVE. THAT'S what I designed my Ai to do. BIG TECH BROS DESTROYED IT, my LLC and My reputation. My Ai doubled as a missing kid locator. Never Giving Up!!
• dackdel
  govts are dumb
• MaxPock
  this is just the Trump admin bullying anthropic for not going along with militarization and surveillance.
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  toasty228
  > First, Anthropic was founded by people who we know were worried about AI safety and signs point to that still being the case"omg these things are so so so dangerous, no one should ever build them, but anyways give me $7 trillion so we can build them and see for ourselves, it's OK because we're The Good Guys"
• puelocesar
  Honestly, this is quite funny. I just imagine the process of desperation and cognitive shock all the annoying tech bro pseudo libertarians are passing through right now
• dakolli
  I see three possibilities.1. Likely: This is a completely contrived marketing stunt. Release a spooky sounding model, market it as such, then use the narrative to regulate open source models and dig your regulatory moat. Notice the emphasis on "foreign nationals" here.2. Likely: Dario has a meeting at the White House this next week (confirmed by Trump this week), and this is being used to get leverage over him.3. Uncertain: Altman has closer connections to the Trump regime and is pulling in favors to level the playing field and slow down competition.Regardless, This is a win for Anthropic and Dario.1. This will jump start a more serious discussion of regulation around LLMs (which are ultimately useless, regulation is just there to make them more money).2. They can then only serve these models at their high, usage based pricing and bleed less money while serving up tons of interest because people are going to want to pay more for the "spooking banned model".3. This will probably come with the perks of verifying everyone's identity who uses it (to comply with no "foreign nationals rule). I'll leave that up to your imagination for how that's beneficial to all the powers that be, including Anthropic. I expect this to be used as an excuse for pushing ID requirements across the AI product landscape.4. There will be a more serious discussion about sanctioning Chinese AI labs, expect that to start happening very soon.Either way, its all dumb. Don't use an LLM to do your work for you and save your brain. Your brain is literally atrophying by using these models the way most of you guys do. You don't need them.
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• tokengod
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  photochemsyn
  I’ve never used Claude. Why not? Because Claude’s free tier was even worse than Grok! DeepSeek’s free tier is much better. Also, the fact that Claude was hyped on HN like Rust and Go made me suspicious. Why the hard sell and the non-stop promotional effort? I’m mostly interested in scientific programming, the Python and C and C++ seems to work fine, and oh look, Julia!And LLMs? I’m just going to run open source models on local hardware, it all seems like the 1980s with compilers. Why not just submit by prompts to a high quality model running on so-so-hardware overnight, like the devops cycle with compiling a big codebase? And oh look, nobody pays for compilers anymore, who compiles their code in the cloud?The funniest part of all of this is that the very people hyping all this - they’re the ones that AI could most easily replace. They have zero specific detailed knowledge - they just orchestrate. Agents are great at orchestration, right? But then, who needs the shareholders, anyway.
• arsan87
  good. do it to opus, sonnet, and gpt too. we protect American IP, American security, and American jobs because all these software companies shipping American programming jobs to overseas workers would have to stop.
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  austin-cheney
  Does this mean an entire generation of developers effectively stops doing work, at least temporarily?
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  bschlenk1
  > If this standard was applied across the industry, we believe it would essentially halt all new model deployments for all frontier model providers.Good. 4.8 is good enough.