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  easygenes
  Announcement from the founder of Z.ai:“ GLM-5.2 is Fully Open, Frontier Intelligence Belongs to EveryoneToday, the sudden restriction of certain frontier models is deeply regrettable. At a time when access to frontier models is abruptly cut off for non-technical reasons, we are even more convinced of one thing: science should be global.The path to AGI (Artificial General Intelligence) must never be enclosed by high walls. We have always believed that AGI should be the cornerstone for all of humanity to collaboratively explore the boundaries of intelligence and solve complex challenges, rather than a privilege monopolized by a few rules and subject to revocation at any moment. In the face of external blockades and restrictions, our attitude is one of radical openness. Frontier intelligence must remain open-source, accessible, and buildable, serving every dedicated developer.GLM-5.2 is Zhipu's most capable open-source model to date. It not only supports a truly usable 1M context window but also maintains a continuous lead in the independent completion of long-horizon tasks, providing solid foundational support for building complex agent applications. It also continues to be our main engine for creating the strongest domestic coding model.Tonight at 5:21—at this special moment—GLM-5.2 will officially be available to all GLM Coding Plan users (including Lite / Pro / Max). The API will also go live next week.A step closer to frontier intelligence for everyone. The future of AI is open, and it is for the people. ModelKey: GLM-5.2”https://x.com/jietang/status/2065784751345287314
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  Reubend
  Seems like there's no official blog post with benchmark results yet. But I'm once again thankful for the Chinese AI labs for being open with their work and contributing it to the world under permissive licenses like this. The Fable 5 fiasco is just another reminder of how valuable these things are to have.
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  segmondy
  In the last few days, Chinese labs have given us MiniMaxM3, KimiK2.7 and now GLM5.2. Meanwhile US is censoring models. Reads like fiction.
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  khalic
  Given the US government’s latest stunt with Fable, this is looking more and more like the future.Can’t rely on strategic products if they’re gated by capricious actors.Open weight models are basically immune to that
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  satvikpendem
  Released at the exact same time, 5:21 pm (Chinese time), as when Anthropic received the letter from the government banning Fable, and explicitly citing other models becoming unusable.
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  kamranjon
  Crossing fingers for a 5.2 flash release - it’s been a while but I still feel like 4.7 flash is one of the strongest local coding models
• easygenes
  This release was rushed to hang on the coattails of the Mythos drama (“hey, sorry you can’t use Fable, but try us while you wait this weekend!”) I think they planned to release next week, hence benchmarks not all being ready yet.
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  throwaw12
  I wish they would write a blog post about capabilities of this new model, what to expect from this model, is it cheaper, is it faster or does it have better quality in the outputs.But still, thank you for the release
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  mgc8
  Is there any indication of what compute resources this will actually require (in its various incarnations)? Does it incorporate any of the optimisations pioneered by Google (such as TurboQuant, MTP) or some other original innovations to make the frontier quality realistically available to local users?
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  evilturnip
  It's great that we are getting so many open source model releases, but I just feel like SOTA models will always be in the hands of the big players. The hardware requirement to achieve SOTA are just too steep.My alternate universe would involve some sort of decentralized investing scheme to build data centers running massive open source models that could compete on some level with Anthropic, OpenAI, etc.
• qingcharles
  Link to the Coding Plan (only way to get 5.2 right now):https://z.ai/subscribe
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  zschallz
  Curious what people's experience is with these models. Anecdotally I tried these out earlier in the year and found it struggled with pretty basic full-stack coding I was doing, when Sonnet 4.6 and Haiku 4.5 didn't break a sweat. Was hoping to use it while my Claude usage was resetting but was disappointed.
• rishikeshs
  will simon do the pelican thing for this as well
• axpy906
  I don’t think this stands for General Linear Model.
• vcryan
  I used to use GLM before I knew about coding subscriptions and it was okay. I've tried every version since 4.6 and this one is doing a great job a spec-implementation runner. If I had to guess... somewhere between Sonnet and Opus in terms of quality. Z.ai's issue has been service reliability. So far so good on day one.
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  ls612
  Is it a coincidence that both MiniMax and Z.ai are releasing frontier open weights models right as the USG is trying to impose a cap on model capability offered to the public?
• nullc
  I wish the torrent would come before the announcement. Doing it the other way is playing with fire.
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  ortekk
  With deluge of Chinese models popping up recently, I believe there's a few issues one needs to evaluate before deciding to use these models:- Ethics. As known, ou American frontier AI companies are incredibly ethical. And I have yet to see any interviews or blog posts by Chinese companies where they talk about how they are ethical, or at least credible HN comments about it.- Safety. Do they covertly sabotage or at least refuse to answer questions that could help cyber- and bioterrorists in their nefarious purposes? What about ML-related questions that could help terrorists create AI models without guardrails?- Child safety. This is especially important with "free for all" open-weight models, most of which are Chinese (ever think about why that's the case?). How are we going to do age verification and KYC with models that anyone can just download on their computer?- Intellectual property theft. How can we be sure that no output of our American frontier AI models was used while training these Chinese models?Frankly, there's a plethora of other issues I don't have time to get into right now. Personally, I believe distribution of Chinese models in the US should be paused until they are required to submit models to the government for review and evaluation, to make sure they are made to Anthropic/OpenAI standards.We need legal grounds for that.Write to your congressman, congresswoman or congressperson and urge them to stop proliferation of dangerous non-American intelligence. This is a matter of national security and needs to be acted upon as soon as possible, preferably before IPO.
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  bflesch
  Weird, z.ai does not resolve for me. Is there anything special about that domain?https://z.ai
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  holoduke
  It would be so extremely awesome if this ai would have been a Claude killer alternative and 90% of Europe cancels Claude subscriptions and subscribe on this one. It would be the dumbest move of the year by the US.
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