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- moooo99It is amazing how Volkswagen keeps messing up. I am currently in the market for a new car, an EV specifically. Volkswagen brands were at the top of my list for many reasons, among them the excellent driving assist implementation.I got an offer from a dealer three weeks ago and was going to order the car, then the API for the community integration got turned off. I decided to hold back and see what comes from it. Now this, which ultimately - since I am a GrapheneOS user - makes me completely cancel my plans.I really do not understand VWs thinking here. It would cost them little to nothing to continue not blocking the the inofficial API and not block GrapheneOS (or other non Play Protect androids) users. It would have no adverse effects on the average Joe, but it would gain a lot of support and enthusiasm from heavy users, differentiating from other brands. Not to mention the fact that it is the USERS data in the first place
- aka13_404This is sadly not even the full extent of it. What they did is, they locked their api entirely for anything that is not play protect certified. That means, all the cool stuff that was doable via community-driven projects is now dead in the water.The "app" they provide is 60% advertisement, 30% features, and I unironically preferred using a Home Assistant connection instead of of it for everything. Even for automations like "when to preheat the car", since that was easier and more intuitive outside of their native function.This also means, that charge control from the cars side is not possible to automate anymore.Sure, one could take the position "but it was never officially promised", but for some people, including me, having the api (which is paid btw) was a selling point.Yes, I registered specifically for this comment.
- afarah1Driving a rental car in Germany almost makes me cheer for the ongoing bankruptcy of their auto industry. It really needs a full reset at this point. Sad thing is EU law mandates for a modem in the car as well as intrusive driving aids that actually make driving less safe by constantly driving your attention away from the road[1]. So there is no hope to get a minimally decent car in Europe in the near future, unless a wider reset also happens at the political and social level.[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-S76WEl25k
- AJRFI don't know how large a group who will do this is - but if the UK bans VPNs I can see Graphene having a very large target on its back. - Buy Pixel, Get Graphene - Use FDroid, don't sign up for Google Play, download Tor browser - Censorship resistant access to the internet without handing over your ID. Pixel being a fairly popular phone in the UK is the interesting bit - if you had to buy some niche device I couldn't see it hitting more than a few hundred people doing it, but there are likely 100k pixels in the UK, and it's still possible to buy one and put Graphene on it.The squeeze on the free internet happened so quick by the UK (well it took years of indifference and a failure to enshrine protections - but once they started moving the did so super fast)Realistically we're speed running ID being tied to internet usage - create your escape hatch while you can!
- prmoustacheVW blocking third party to access their servers is one thing, the thing that I find shocking is that you need to access VW servers to obtain your charging data while this should be directly available locally from the car.
- z3ratul163071what a stupid thing to do. actually i did not have high expectations from them anyway.
- 9cb14c1ec0Google Play has been a huge drag on innovation and security in the mobile ecosystem. I'm actually looking forward to the time when AI kills the mobile app ecosystem so that every phone manufacturer can bundle their own "vibe-code-your-own-app" system with their devices, and the Google Play monopoly is broken.
- bilsbieTangentially speaking what are the downsides to running graphene?
- kyledrakeI had a used 2016 VW Golf and it was a lemon. It would have an average of one serious problem a month. I finally gave up being a professional car maintainer and dumped it, taking a huge loss because it was effectively worthless on the car market despite only being 8 years old. Fun car to drive, but what's the point if it doesn't work reliably? I completely lost my trust for VW vehicles after that.Not surprising to me at all that their software is a similar high quality experience, but in general I think it's weird that cars have to be connected to the Internet anyways and I doubt the competition is substantially better.
- pmontraMy 2016 car has the old version of Android auto. My phone has the new one, I think from 2019 or 2020. They are incompatible. Did I miss something by not integrating my phone with my car? I don't think so. I call with Bluetooth and navigate with the screen of the phone. The only thing I'm using is the mic and speaker of the car. The mic is probably substantially better than any earpiece I could buy, because I suspect that it's designed to filter out noises from the car and from the road.
- CafeRacerI am confused here... this is the car, that person buys and person owns. It is used to haul said user's butt from point A to point B. (a) like wtf? (b) what is it about these companies that want to commoditize everything?
- jmward01I want a law that requires publishing your API for apps like this as well as allowing users to crate their own frontend based on it. That would enable more privacy aware versions of these apps.
- neilv> In my opinion, the most useful next step is to contact Volkswagen support in a coordinated and technically precise way [...] Smartphone: Google Pixel Operating system: GrapheneOSI strongly recommend saying that the operating system is one of "Android" (there are many variants), "Android (GrapheneOS)", or "GrapheneOS Android".But if you say only "GrapheneOS", you are practically telling VW to respond that they do not support that operating system.
- minrawsI am in market for a Car within a year or two, and I promise it won't be one from Volkswagen, if a company supports OSS platforms in cars and is available in APAC I will buy from them even if it costs 2x for the same specs (preferably a Hybrid but EV works too I guess).Happy voting with your wallet folks. See ya.
- MeneDevI am not a lawyer, but this is clearly illegal under EU law.As a EU citizen, please sign this petition https://www.change.org/p/eu-data-act-durchsetzen-autoherstel...
- torginusIsn't this for the same reason why you can't do banking on an unlocked bootloader phone?There's no way to verify the integrity of the system, and any malicious app can just grab your banking credentials or enable criminals to unlock and drive away with your car.
- joemazerinoYeah this has less to do with VW and GrapheneOS and more to do with Google Play's attestation. Many apps don't work with sandboxed GMS/microG currently and more will come as we get closer to a locked down version of Google's Android.
- teekertI got an iPad as backup with my 2fa stuff, and so I can keep an eye on kids in Apple ecosystem. When my iPhone mini does I'll go for /e/OS or GrapheneOS. And then I'll have the iPad lying at home for all the shenanigans that are nice but I don't even really need. My phone must serve me.
- monomialModern cars are such enshittified garbage. I was in a modern Toyota recently and every time you start it, the screen shows a "Guest mode activated" that you need to explicitly dismiss. The only way to disable this is to install some stupid Toyota app which I would never install. Then you dismiss the popup and the home screen is "Experience Drive Connect" which is some stupid Toyota subscription which I would never subscribe to. What a piece of garbage. I'd probably just disconnect the whole screen entirely.
- jasonvorheIt's not your car anymore, you're just renting someone else's hardware and access to their restricted platforms. Some recent cars even deny starting your car engine if the always on camera facing the driver thinks the driver isn't capable of driving "safely".This is the WEF future your conspiracy uncle was telling you about during family gatherings. Well.
- LostMyLoginSide note. Has anyone else noticed an uptick in GrapheneOS posts lately or am I crazy?
- innocentoldguyI was going to trade in an old truck and buy my daughter a Tiguan this weekend. I guess I’ll rethink that.
- stymaarI hate that cars are every day more and more crammed with software, when car manufacturers can't seem to be able to make half-working code in the first place (looking at you Nissan, who just can't even put the correct timestamp on your GPS data points…)
- jqpabc123Easy fix --- block VW from your car ownership.
- warkdarriorAnswer from VW:> Please note that the use of the Volkswagen app is only supported on iOS devices and Android devices with supported operating system versions.Is it time to mandate app developers support all operating systems for a device?
- CalgarypLol not surprised by VW. Had a long fight with them because of this takata thing
- izacusI'm glad the grapheneos support forum is proving very useful with "Why do you need a car app?" comment being highlighted by this link :D
- guitcastroWe need an opensource car OS, to prevent the car enshitification, but the automakers will never allow it.
- padjoYep same thing on /e/os guess I'll never be buying another VW. Well done guys.
- ReptileManHey Mythos - create me open clone of VW software and tell me which chips to replace in the car. Thanks.
- amyjessI'm sorry, but what? Why do cars need apps now?
- shevy-javaI am annoyed that the EU allows this in the first place, that car manufacturers sniff off data from people. And, on top of that, block open source alternatives.To me this smells like a cartel. Why is the EU not doing anything?
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- mohamedkoubaaThe solution is not to try to shame or force Volkswagen to support GrapheneOS, the solution is to (legally) force them to allow the car to run a custom CarOS, for which the community can write their own app