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California AB 2047 makes 3D printers off-limits to students, educators, business

California AB 2047 makes 3D printers off-limits to students, educators, business

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  • rcbdev
    The future will belong to China. The U.S. has fallen.Articles like this are just further proof.
  • umvi
    > The required technology is not possible - 3D printers read code, not intent; they cannot tell what a shape is for."Anthropic announces Project Disarm, a new model designed for 3d printer manufacturers to quickly infer whether the intent of an stl file is a weapon. The printer first submits the job to the cloud, and only after it's approved will it print."Not that I want this future, just that I can imagine it.
  • dgellow
    If that becomes current law I don’t want to ever hear about Europe being over-regulated compared to the US…
  • deckar01
    I tried to photo copy a dollar bill when I was a kid on a dinky inkjet printer. It printed half way then spit out something about counterfeit prevention. I scanned the bill, printed the top half, fed the paper back in, and printed the bottom half. This can only actually stop the completely unmotivated.
  • denverllc
    Louis Rossman believes these bills are partly funded/lobbied for by Bloomberg.https://youtu.be/E1B2cWEaWDw?is=xwpLZoyVSi6psztQ
  • giantg2
    NY is pushing the same sort of stuff. The question to ask is how many people are actually being killed with 3D printed weapons? I don't have that info, but I would guess they are statistical outliers and would have been replaced by other homemade weapons if not available. Politicians love to "fix" problems that aren't really problems in the first place.
  • jshmrsn
    Roll call from the Assembly vote: https://legiscan.com/CA/rollcall/AB2047/id/1702219
  • androiddrew
    Yeah you. Better get your printer air gapped because they are going to brick it in the name of getting re-elected
  • tedd4u
    If you're in San Francisco, note that Catherine Stefani and Matt Haney both voted for this ridiculous bill.Roll call: https://legiscan.com/CA/rollcall/AB2047/id/1702219
  • monax
    Next they will ban hardware store ? Because you could make a weapon with that pipe
  • exabrial
    * Rebecca Bauer-Kahan (D)* Dr. Darshana R. Patel (D)* Tim Grayson (D)
  • wxw
    The actual bill in question: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml...It seems more precise to say that 3D printers sold/transferred in California would need built-in anti-firearm-printing controls?I don't see how this directly bans students/teachers/businesses from owning 3d printers, which is what the title seems to say.
  • swalsh
    This offends me, because I believe code is speech, and speech should not be restricted.
  • LinuxAmbulance
    What are the odds of this passing successfully?A grim day for 3D printing if so.
  • mbgerring
    In general I agree with the 3D printing and open source community that bills like these are bad ideas. However, I want to ask this question in the spirit of helping craft better arguments:Given that it is extremely well known that most commercial printers will refuse to print anything that looks like counterfeit currency, why is this considered technically unworkable?I agree that compliance would be onerous, but that's different from insisting that it's not possible.
  • Danox
    Luddites, once again Simple Simon thinking… Where does responsibility come in?
  • UncleOxidant
    There's also this Chip "Security" Act on the federal level: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/chips-security-act-ga...
  • narrator
    This legislation seems to come out of nowhere and get rubber stamped. Who even came up with this, and why?
  • HoldOnAMinute
    Which 3D Printers should I be buying right now?
  • int32_64
    Are 3D-printed guns even remotely reliable, or is it just a moral panic? A brass tube and a pin is probably less likely to fail than 3d printed materials.
  • phibz
    Why is a 3d printer more dangerous than a CNC?
  • KingMachiavelli
    Err, the email list has like 13+ bad addresses? I get a lot of "Address not found" responses.
  • charcircuit
    Many firearm companies were founded by someone who made their own firearm design. Banning people from manufacturing things is anti innovation.
  • trhway
    As the latest affair shown, US is falling behind in drone tech. Now another key modern tech is going to be similarly outlawed.Note that in particular banning of 3d printing severely decreases chances for bringing back manufacturing - high labor and other costs makes domestic manufacturing feasible only when it is highly automated and highly customizable.
  • nekusar
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  • nullc
    One of numerous awful policies and proposed policies that make me glad to have left California.
  • mc32
    Why does California since Arnold left office feel the need to regulate above the average other states regulate? [in fairness gov Brown would veto some of the crazier ideas that arrived at his desk]Why do the pols feel like they have to pick fights in so many places? I doubt there’s a majority of voters who want this.
  • cortesoft
    This is such a dumb law. We have millions of guns in the state, 3D printed guns are never going to be more than a blip in the statistics for gun deaths.
  • greenavocado
    Blatant first amendment violation
  • yieldcrv
    This doesn’t have to be unconstitutional, just regulate the intermediary in such a way that it forces the behaviors you are trying to regulate directlyIn this case you can say“You need a license to do this activity”[adds all the requirements in the bill to the licensing authority]“Unlicensed activity is forbidden”so now you can get your tiny LLMs added to 3D printers so that license holders can operate again, without specifically mandating unworkable technology or getting a freedom of expression challenge from the manufacturers you just invented court standing forThis works under every governance system
  • TacticalCoder
    I'll really get downvoted on this "turning ever more red" HN platform but...All democrats present voted yes. All republicans voted no.
  • jalalx
    WTF is going on in US?
  • ConanRus
    [dead]
  • vlian2088
    why do your states constantly behave as if they are sovereign nations?
  • guelo
    Photocopiers and printers have included anti-counterfeiting tech for decades, so there is precedent for this kind of thing. And this is addressing a real growing problem:https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/santa-rosa-167-gun...https://da.santaclaracounty.gov/da-task-force-seizes-ghost-g...https://www.vvng.com/3d-printed-firearm-recovered-after-man-...