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  themanmaran
  I feel like it's also been overrun by a lot of spam. As someone running a company, I get 2-5 unsolicited "vulnerability reports" per week. Half of them are an LLM finding some bad CSS on our framer splash page. The other half I assume are an extortion attempt so we just mark as spam.Occasionally I see real security researchers on HN complaining that no one takes the disclosure seriously, or that people reply immediately with a cease and desist. But from the receiving end it's just because the spam is unmanageable.
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  cadamsdotcom
  Security through obscurity was never a great strategy.. and now it’s not a strategy at all..Hopefully at the end of this decade, a ton of software practices have been overhauled to eliminate classes of problems. Memory-safe language use is a great start - but it’d be great to see innovation in checking for TOCTOU problems, improper/missing authn & authz, and many others.This is an engineering problem. It won’t be solved by models that “only do dumb shit 1/10th as often, only 0.01% of the time now not 0.1%!” It won’t be solved by adding more models to do even more double-checking before and after the work. It won’t be solved by hoping humans catch it in review. It isn’t solvable by adding outer loops of any sort - though we may get close. To truly solve this will take serious CS research.
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  socalgal2
  I feel like the current situation is temporary. LLMs are finding all the bugs. LLMs are also help fixing most of the bugs. Once most of the bugs are fixed, LLMs should be good at finding bugs before shipping them, the stream of bug reports will die down, and we'll be back to vulnerabiltiy reports being special.Further, the fact that bugs are so easy to find by LLMs means there is strong incentives to find ways to minimize creating bugs in the first place. That could be new or better languages, less 3rd party dependencies, more vetted code, better linters, better fuzzers, whatever. The point the new reality of bugs being easy to find will, actually must, lead to less bugs eventually because the world can't function with easy to find bugs.
• aetherspawn
  LLMs find more vulnerabilities than people because people time is heaps more expensive than LLM time, that’s it.We’ve always been able to find heaps, we’ve just never had the right structures to put in the effort and renumerate people for looking (even if they don’t find anything).
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  david_shaw
  At risk of quoting too much of the article, it opens with this:> A requirement for staying sane while working in public as an open source maintainer is realizing that every issue, PR, and piece of feedback is a present, not an obligation. You can accept it, ignore it, and use it partially or not at all.> Except…> For years, as lead of the Go Security team at the time, I’ve told new team members that it doesn’t apply to vulnerability reports. No, vulnerability reports are special. Security researchers are doing us a favor by reporting things confidentially instead of doing full disclosure, so we owe them something, which is not true of regular issues opened on the issue tracker.[...]> It’s 2026 and none of the premises are true anymore.I respectfully disagree.The premise is absolutely still true: if someone discovers a critical, exploitable vulnerability in your software, the impact and tradeoffs are exactly the same as they were before LLMs started finding bugs. There are just more of them now, so they're easier to come by.But that won't last forever, either. As LLMs find increasingly difficult-to-find vulnerabilities, there will be fewer of them to report. This is just chugging through the backlog.All of that said, I don't think finding vulnerabilities has really been the difficult security problem for most companies (or open source projects). The difficult problem is dedicating resources to fixing those vulnerabilities instead of building software, products, and/or infrastructure that people want. That problem is absolutely still here today, but I'm optimistic that agentic security developers will be able to take the burden off of development teams in the near future.For tokens, of course.
• bawolff
  There are some problems with incentives in the vuln report space. People report trivial vulns and expect the same treatment as people reporting critical vulns. But this isn't new with AI. Look at all the ReDos vulns in npm ecosystem. Its questionable if its a vuln in general but half of them aren't even triggerable.
• rakel_rakel
  I read every piece like this one as: Money is moving in the vulnerability space now, when as before the LLM hype incentivized that, your best bet was that someone skilled enough would accept living with the financial insecurity of being a gig worker to hopefully stumble upon your projects bug bounty program. Is the bet here is that the hype lasts, and that people willingly will keeping on paying Dario to be able to contribute?> But give it 1-3 months and the open models will catch up.I wish that this would stopped being thrown around, what is this timeline based on? How good is your open model from between March and May?Also, having read "Gödel, Escher, Bach" I know that the hare never catches up with the turtle.
• _el1s7
  > LLMs are as good as almost any security researcher, and anyone4 can run them.What is this, rage bait? It's bullshit, and insulting to actual security researchers.That might be true for low-effort vulnerabilities and fake security researchers, but the real security researchers are far from being replaced by LLMs.
• mawadev
  I read a casual teams message from one consultant type of guy who said "the low level linux hackers who don't care about best practices, code quality and security get what they deserve". I don't know how to feel about this other than disgust. The entire space has been overrun by LLMs making stuff up or finding things that aren't critical while some roles capitalize on the fear. There is just so much wrong with saying such things in such a way, I couldn't describe.This entire demeanor of the way people and ai people talk about software and technical people is getting absurd and simply unprofessional. It is as if we stopped being adults.
• dirkc
  These two bits stand out to me:> The security researchers are not special, the insight and confidentiality arevs> The bottleneck now is not finding potential issues but assessing which ones are real. Unless there’s already a trust relationship, external researchers can’t meaningfully contributeMy take-away from this is that the researchers were special all along and you should probably be building a trust relationship with them.Despite what I want to believe about tech being a meritocracy, the reality is that trust plays an extremely important role and without it we risk a collapse of our open source software ecosystem.One of my biggest criticisms of AI is the trust vacuum within which it operates
• fastball
  They weren't special even before LLMs. Drive-by script-kiddies would run some basic scripts against your platform and send generally-not-actually-a-vulnerability reports, claiming that these were big problems, and requesting to be paid bug bounties.
• qbane
  > LLMs are as good as almost any security researcher, and anyone can run them.I wonder what the metrics are. Also, not "anyone", just the affordable.
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• maxignol
  In the end, sorting prs and vulnerabilities has been the same for open source maintainers. How about adding a credibility score to every github account ? Couldn’t that cut sorting times ?
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  woodruffw
  I agree with this. One of the consequences of the "vulnpocalpyse" is that it's become even harder to sift through the noise: I triage well over a dozen reports a week, many of which are "real" in the sense that they reflect a genuine defect but otherwise have an unclear impact on a typical user. This has always been true of the median vulnerability report, but the volume means that I now lean much more heavily away from coordinated disclosure.One flipside to this is that, because many of these bugs are "shallow" to LLMs, it's actually easier than ever to moderate the worst participants in your vulnerability program -- if someone sends you slop, you can just ban them and wait for the next, better orchestrated LLM to send you a better report for the same vulnerability.
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  jerrythegerbil
  Vulnerability reports were never special.The _demonstration_ of security impact through vulnerability reports was special. The automation of “demonstration of impact” with AI isn’t that at all. The last mile is human and always was. This isn’t to say it won’t change in the future, but that’s a fact of where we are now.Vulnerability reports aren’t special anymore. They never were. It was the impact, the demonstration, the communication that was special.When you realize that this is being written from the perspective of someone who does vulnerability reporting in a professional capacity, you’ll connect the dots. We took care to be kind and succinct because for many of us, we learned our skills from being on the development side of things first.Vulnerability reports aren’t special anymore. The only ones that felt special were the ones with human touch, the ones doing their job as an adversarial thinker, and taking the care to understand that net positive outcomes require coordination even if both parties don’t see eye to eye.Nothing has changed. It never was. You’re just inundated with AI slop; which as a practitioner who uses AI regularly I can say with absolute confidence. The end result is the same, the volume is increased, but the special thing was never the report itself.Finding a vulnerability was always the easy but high toil part. It was the care to communicate succinctly and be invested in the outcome that was special.Godspeed.
• skybrian
  I'm wondering whether this is a permanent change. After all the easy-to-find bugs have fixed and you can't find them just by asking an AI, perhaps security issues will deserve special treatment again.
• naturalmovement
  Linus Torvalds once went on record saying security vulnerabilities are no more important than regular bugs.This of course made vulnerability researchers seethe worse than aggrieved Redditors.It turns out he was right all along.The author also gets it wrong by assuming that regular bug reporters are not "providing a service". They are.When I wrote up a bug report, I made sure it's thorough with detailed steps to reproduce. It takes a lot of time and I've done it professionally for projects you've absolutely heard of.Having said that, getting them ignored repeatedly and — even worse — having my detailed PRs rejected, sometimes within minutes, as if I'm some ignorant luser is why I don't do it anymore. My time is more valuable than your hubris.A lot of open source developers have their heads so far up their own asses they forgot that it takes a community for projects to be successful.
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  jupenur
  This whole blog post makes me sad. I've been active on both sides of the vulnerability disclosure process for well over a decade and have reported a whole bunch [1] of security bugs to the Go security team. I was there back when Filippo was running the show and have continued since Roland took over. My experience with the people there has always been great.> Ultimately, it all stems from our responsibility to our users. The security researchers are not special, the insight and confidentiality are, and we need them to keep our users safe. Ignoring a security report communicates you don’t care about users’ security, and it’s rightly a reason for shame.100%. This was always true and I still think it is. LLMs don't change anything. At most they shift the balance and force a temporary compromise.> LLMs are as good as almost any security researcherThis statement is extremely dependent on the definition of a security researcher. It might hold if you consider anyone with a HackerOne account, but if you restrict the definition to people who actually put in some effort, it's just not true. LLMs can find some real vulnerabilities, yes, but they also spew unprecedented volumes of garbage that an expert can immediately recognize as such.> The insight is not scarce and precious anymore. The bottleneck now is not finding potential issues but assessing which ones are real.Assessing which ones are real should be part of the insight. Real researchers will not submit 150 pages of spam, and three real bugs hidden in 150 pages of spam are not insight. In most cases a researcher will spend significant effort on triage before submitting anything, and an LLM still cannot do that reliably.> Confidentiality, embargoes, and coordination also don’t matter nearly as much as they used to.I'd argue these now matter more: the one thing LLMs do seem to do fairly well is figure out specific things based on sufficient information and a scope that's limited enough. So a plain commit containing a security fix is now much easier and cheaper to turn into an exploit than it was before.> The years of vulnerability reports being special might be over, as weird and uncomfortable as that feels.I'd hope not. Bug bounties might be over unless someone can figure out the spam problem, but disclosure programs that don't offer monetary incentives are probably just going through a tough period that will eventually calm down as the operators of LLMs realize the costs and do the math.Unreliable reports have always been an issue and will remain one, LLMs or no. When it gets worse, like in the current influx of LLM-generated reports, the focus should be on identifying reliable researchers, building relationships, and providing guidance on how they can make the reports easier to triage.Researchers are not special, but the insight they can provide totally is. LLMs might force everyone to make better use of that insight, instead of just consuming bug reports and drowning in triage.[1] https://groups.google.com/g/golang-announce/search?q=juho
• sans_souse
  I'm curious about people's experiences with Kalshi support in this context.
• jongjong
  I found a DoS vulnerability in Coinbase several months ago on Hacker One. It took me literally 30 minutes to find. First time I did this in my life. I could craft a message cheaply which, when sent as the HTTP payload to a specific endpoint, would cause the server to hang for a full 30 or so seconds before getting a response. I could have easily scaled up that attack, cheaply...I filed a report, they marked it as 'informative' and thanked me, recommended I keep looking for more vulnerabilities, but no payment at all; they said I had to be able to demonstrate major disruption of service... Which I presume is illegal. I literally showed them all the ingredients of the attack, the exact curl commands, payloads, the exact response delay could be easily be verified; you could see the server response slowing down proportional to the degree of nesting in the payload. I could execute it without authentication too; so it was essentially certain that the attack could be scaled but they made it impossible to get a reward.The hardest part was writing the report which took several hours.So yeah, 30 minutes of looking for a vulnerability, no prior experience in security research, first project I looked into on Hacker One, ever... A company in crypto sector which is a major target of hackers and takes security relatively seriously.Imagine how insecure most software is! Imagine how bad most vibe-coded software is especially! Companies might as well run their servers directly inside Kim Jong Un's data center in North Korea.North Korean hackers probably have a dashboard which shows more detailed and accurate platform analytics than what the founders of the company can see.
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  agolio
  Tangent point, I think more broadly this is a big piece of AI-cynicism in general- “x isn’t special anymore”.It’s tough staying motivated on a craft when an AI is nearly as good as you. Chess players manage to do it at least.
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  enraged_camel
  >> A requirement for staying sane while working in public as an open source maintainer is realizing that every issue, PR, and piece of feedback is a present, not an obligation.I don't think the gift analogy works well. In most cultures, turning down or even ignoring a gift is considered anywhere from impolite to hugely offensive. But that's the opposite of open source: there's nothing wrong with requesting changes to a PR or even closing it.
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  zeveb
  > If a security vulnerability is reported by someone who is also violating the CoC, what do you do? Do you ignore it? Fix it silently?Is this even a question? You triage and fix the vulnerability just like any other one. Are truths spoken by folks one dislikes — even for perfectly valid reasons — any less true?The only way I can imagine this somehow applying is if someone has a habit of reporting vulnerabilities which do not exist, or of exaggerating their severity. Is crying wolf a CoC violation? If so, then I can imagine that particular sort of bad behaviour justifying some consideration before acting on a report.
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  jamesjhare
  "LLMs are as good as almost any security researcher"No they are not. Everything else can be safely ignored. The author is suffering from AI psychosis and needs to get some help.
• jybuilds
  I agree. Accoding to a security engineer I know, the impact of mythos is enormous.