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  internet2000
  They're subsidizing their tokens as long as you use their software. That's a fair exchange, I never understood why people took issue with it.If you don't want to get locked in to Claude Code, you can pay more. Just like you can pay more for an unlocked non-carrier subsidized phone. (Which I personally do.)
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  supermatt
  > Your Claude subscription—which is a cheaper version of the Anthropic API—is restricted to use with the Claude Code CLI/Desktop, Claude CoWork, or @Claude in Slack.Thats not true at all. You can use the Agent SDK [1], which uses your subscription [2]. I use it via ACP [3] with custom system prompts and tooling. I have found it very powerful and flexible. It has its own agent loop, of course, so maybe thats the limitation using it with opencode?[1] https://code.claude.com/docs/en/agent-sdk/overview[2] They were talking about giving credits for the SDK usage rather than it using your allowance directly, but that seems to have been put on hold for now. If and when that changes, I will likely jump ship, but I am more than happy with it right now.[3] there isn't an official ACP wrapper - zed have one but its quite limited. its trivial to build one though, or you can just use the SDK directly and wire it into your interface of choice.
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  tekacs
  It worth noting that – just to add to the confusion – they apparently cancelled the June 15th change just before it was due to go live:https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15036540-use-the-clau...https://the-decoder.com/anthropic-backs-off-unpopular-billin...So... maybe we can still use third party harnesses with Claude Code subscriptions... for now? Until they change their mind again?
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  Zambyte
  Not sure why this was flagged, Anthropic has obviously been burning bridges. I thought this line was funny though:> If you want to autocomplete, like I do, you don’t need Fable, or even Opus; Sonnet works fine.It reads like "if you want to go to the grocery store, you don't need a space shuttle, or even a SR-71 Blackbird; a Cessna works fine."
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  logravia
  The more interesting question is why would you at any point ever extend any goodwill to an unbounded corporate entity?Whenever you are faced with a corpo you should conceptualize it as a system that will happily mow you over for increased profits, unless it is legally bound to not prioritize profits above everything else and its structural incentives push it in a pro-social direction.
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  bakies
  Think I'm about to switch. I can't build the automations i'm trying to with claude code anymore. Since they locked away the non-interactive usage and channels can't be used without interacting with the console on startup. I had a good web interface for running CC in containers in k8s but I think it's time to bail out and build around a codex subscription and pi.dev now. I have local models hooked up to pi dev and that's working well. Had it build itself Channels equivalent so agents can talk to each other and receive webhooks. I bet Anthropic will build these things into their ecosystem eventually, but I want it now and running on my cloud.Edit: I forgot they also don't let me use remote control (which isn't that good anyway) with a oauth key in the env var! So i have to get on a terminal and do the whole login flow for my containerized agents. Massive pain, so lame.
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  ngriffiths
  One way of reading this is an article about how good Anthropic's product is. "Look at how many serious flaws users have been willing to accept in order to keep using this thing"
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  delduca
  It was so good when it was possible to use Claude subscription on OpenCode.Nowadays I went from Claude 20x to 5x and been using the GLM model on OpenCode... No regrets.
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  hbn
  Feels weird to be complaining about this stuff when all of these AI companies are still haemorrhaging money to offer these services.You can say it's inconvenient but it's hard to argue they're being greedy when they do these things to merely lose a little bit less money on every subscription they sell.
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  tomaytotomato
  I have been using Claude code for a while and have recently migrated to PiMigrating my skills/agents and config was fairly straightforward.Pi's agent harness seems to be more responsive and quicker than CC (perhaps with the prompt caching and squashing it does behind the scenes)Tempted to do a write-up on migration.I am only using Pi with Github Copilot as I am scared I will get my Claude account banned if I use the Oauth with Pi.pi.dev
• Barbing
  This post is now number 83 on the third page (at +3hr). When I commented on it earlier, it was near the top of the first page. A result of lots of flagging?Edit: Compare to the fourth article on the front page: 4. - Road to Elm 1.0 (elm-lang.org) | 181 points, 4 hours ago This more recent post has 219 points.
• Amir6
  It's been almost 3 weeks since my Claude account has been suspended with ZERO explanation. They initially gave an appeal review timeline of 10 days which has long passed and again no accountability or even an estimated date. Please be careful putting your trust and professional life on such tools! More details below;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48597861
• shermantanktop
  Comparisons to Microsoft’s monopoly power are pretty lame when Anthropic’s hold on the market is so tenuous.How many businesses are actually dependent on Claude? As in - Anthropic’s pricing or licensing changes can kill their business?How many developers are “Claude developers” and can’t be effective with other tools?This discussion is full of people saying they won’t use Claude anymore, and presumably some of them will actually do that. That’s good, there are alternatives.
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  sunnybeetroot
  I don’t get the comparison images; they’re of Claude’s start up and open code’s code diff and the author then claims that they prefer open code’s based off those images.
• baron3dl
  I do find it challenging to understand what the TOS/AUP allow and not, and what qualifies for subscription and not. If I somehow muster confidence in my interpretation, I continue to doubt that it will be stable over even the short term.
• wartywhoa23
  > To be clear, I’m not anti-AI. I’m only against unethical companies with anti-consumer practices, and the perpetrators behind them.No need to picture general anti-AI stance as some kind of herecy to be punished by the Inquisition Of The Holy Progress.
• movpasd
  I don't expect technology companies to do the right thing by the consumer. There is a niche for companies or NGOs that manage to stick to their core mission, but the incentive structure for software (very high capital cost, near zero marginal cost, huge opportunities for rent-seeking) is just always going to push them to these behaviours. It's not a conspiracy theory, either. VCs deliberately bank on this --- they have to if they want to get return on investment.By all means, put pressure on companies who are doing this. Public opinion does matter. But the fundamentals are just not going to change without regulation. It is a tough nut to crack.
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  phyzix5761
  There seems to be a smear campaign against Anthropic ever since the DoD incident.
• SoftTalker
  > enshittification, vendor lock inTheir only options. They have to eventually show a return on the investment bonfire that they have been burning. This is apparently all they are teaching at business school now, since it seems to be what almost all companies are doing.In another year the open source models will be good enough for almost anything.When your choices are a Cadillac or a bicycle, a lot of people will take the Cadillac. When you add in the option of a Hyundai, that gets the job done for a huge number of needs.
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  rarisma
  Their api stability genuinely makes no sense, how are they a near trillion dollar company with models so good they are treated as weapons yet have almost no 9's of uptime.If agi why not agi shaped?
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  haktan
  How do you use API keys with Claude subscription? I can't see any keys at claude.ai settings. Only panel I could find was behind another login and it didn't have a subscription option.
• philipwhiuk
  > Each changelog entry has a bug fix in almost every release, which is a sign of reliable and stable software!This is a non-sequitur.Most consumer apps don't even list all the bugfixes.
• trentnix
  For companies that supposedly are worth trillions, Anthropic and their competitors sure have awfully weak moats.
• zeppelin_7
  Btw, they are also getting aggressive with bans. Furthermore the process to repeal is broken in the UI, and there is no way to get support
• Grombobulous
  I think this article is contradictory of the reality that Anthropic is picking up B2B marketshare like crazy, recently overtaking OpenAI.I wouldn’t call Fable “enshittification.”Anthropic knows what they have.I’m looking around for the article with the marketshare chart over time and I’ll update my comment if I find it.This is the closest article I could find, though the one I had read earlier had a nice graph and was updated to 2026:https://chatforest.com/guides/anthropic-overtakes-openai-ent...Here’s a decent one:https://menlovc.com/perspective/2025-the-state-of-generative...LLM Market Share: Anthropic Extends Its Lead in the Enterprise
• andai
  Anthropic's behavior regarding restricting the subscription to their own products is rational, and matches Google's behavior on this front too.I spent a few weeks in the OpenClaw Discord and there was a competitive sport there where people were posting screenshots of how many hundreds of billions of tokens they were burning per day. It was like what I saw a while back with people on r/DataHoarder abusing the unlimited free storage plans and putting petabytes of torrents onto them. (Well, not technically abusing ;)---EDIT: Oh my goodness and I forgot the black market for Anthropic tokens (70-90% discounted, which seems to strongly imply they come from the subscriptions)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5paRa6E5rCM---That being said it does also of course make normal users sad.(My harness uses less tokens than Claude Code! But I'm not allowed to use it, because we can't have nice things.)Don't quote me on this but I recall (in March?) OpenAI saying it's totally cool to use your sub with 3rd party stuff, on like the same day when Anthropic was being grilled hard for their changes. (Never interrupt your opponent when he is making a mistake!) I don't know if they can keep that up though, now that the VC money apparently ran out and everyone needs to actually become profitable overnight.
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  iterateoften
  Anthropic takes every chance they make not only to behave suspicious and anti-consumer but also announce that they are acting in ways that hurt you while telling you it’s a feature.Fable returning wrong answers if it suspects the topic is sensative is the ultimate icing on the huge cake of lies and gaslighting they’ve been baking the past 6 months.
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  sscaryterry
  The lawsuits will come, paying the piper is inevitable.
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  m_ke
  It's looking like Anthropic is realizing that they're about to get squeezed so they need to juice revenue for their IPO before it becomes obvious to everyone else.Open models like GLM 5.2 are getting good enough to handle 90% of tasks, and will eat most of their usage unless they start serving it at cost. And on the 1% work they fearmongered their way into falling under government control, which will limit how much they can commercialize the frontier.Nobody will keep paying their premiums and put up with their BS when they can have similar models at cost of inference in any harness that they want.
• solenoid0937
  Anthropic bad! Straight to the top of HN please!
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  mesmertech
  As long as they have the best model they can afford to lose goodwill.People who don't wanna spend too much on LLMs and are trying to optimize whats subsidized even on the Max plans are customers Anthropic is honestly better off without.
• ToucanLoucan
  They stole the entire internet to create tools with the explicit goal of taking away people's ability to earn a living. The fact that they have goodwill to lose at all is a testament to our unbelievably short attention spans.
• sergiotapia
  Anthropic's behavior is why I don't use their models or advocate for them anymore. They behave icky, like a tick trying to suck the blood from everyones public web contributions THEN lock down everything THEN attempt to legislate open source.If you're a software engineer you should do your best to advocate for more open tools and treat this company as radioactive.Opencode/Pi/ohmypi are much better than claude code. And with models like GLM/Kimi/Qwen you can get really really far. Add in a design tool like Paper so your AI can "see" what it's designing and you can close the gap incredibly tight.Try it and free yourself.
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  Zababa
  >Dario and Boris have us convinced that “coding is solved” with their loops. But microwaves didn’t solve cooking.If you want a look at the timeline where the microwave solved cooking, this was an interesting article: https://malmesbury.substack.com/p/my-journey-to-the-microwav.... You can apparently sear meat with a microwave (provided you have the necessary pan).
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  jdw64
  I agree with everything in this post, but that doesn't mean I want to go back to a life without Claude Code. I've been working alone all this time, and finally it feels like I have someone to talk to
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  elzbardico
  Complaining about external providers not supporting the subsidized prices Claude charge to its subscribers makes no sense. Of course, Claude Code subscription is a loss leader, it is an offering built to create a market for a new product in a very competitive environment in the hopes of capturing a dominant market position with a fully validated product with a healthy demand from business.Of course they won't give you thousands of dollars of inference for a couple hundred bucks without making sure you're properly tied to their walled garden.Yeah, of course Dario and any other Anthropic spoke person will vastly exaggerate the capabilities of their product and promote vibe coding and now "loop engineering", just like Coca-Cola would love for you to drink gallons of Diet Coke everyday, just like Oracle some twenty ago promoted for Enterprises that they could just use Oracle Databases to serve web applications right from the DB, as this would force you to use more CPUs and Oracle DB is licensed by core.The business model for inference is metered usage, more usage => mode money. Again, the subscription model is just a bump in the road to acquire customers, once you're metered, the more you use, the better for anthropic.Why people get surprised with that stuff?
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  rvz
  > As of writing, Claude Code CLI only has around 9100 open Github issues, with small unresolved issues like it completely freezing for the last 6+ months or a screen flickering issue open for more than a year.But surely those fully autonomous coding loops will solve all those 9,100+ open issues on GitHub? Why haven't they?What happened to Claude's C Compiler [0], or that browser "built from scratch" by Cursor? [1]Why aren't the agents maintaining it if they are supposed to be cheaper than humans?> But why do they have us by the balls? Dario and Boris have us convinced that “coding is solved” with their loops. But microwaves didn’t solve cooking.They have you by the balls if you allow them to, if you continue to listen to their bullshit.Both of them are essentially salesmen at this point. They don't care if they are wrong and will sell Claude to whoever is thinking of planning the next mass layoff. Their definition of "AGI" is different to yours.The correct answer to all of this pricing nonsense that Anthropic and others are doing is local open weight models that you run on your own machine. They know this and powerful local models undercut their entire business model if hosted by others or if a smaller local model matches the performance of larger ones.[1] https://github.com/anthropics/claudes-c-compiler[0] https://github.com/wilsonzlin/fastrender
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