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  mnicky
  I think points that deserve more attention in the current public discourse are:- This should be a huge wakeup call for everybody.- We are lucky that it wasn't a case of an agent running a virology lab benchmark that decides to hack a lab and tries to synthesize something.- It also shows apparent lack of competence and oversight from OpenAI: how is it that they didn't quickly find that agent is breaking the sandbox and roaming their internal network?- What if in the future similarly misaligned AI agent tries to export its own weights and hack and clone itself into instances at various cloud hosting providers? Suddenly we might be dealing with a persistent threat harder to contain.- The OpenAI post about this shows surprising lack of ability to see the seriousness of all this.- For their models this isn't just an unlucky incident: it seems there have been multiple such cases recently, e.g. https://openai.com/index/safety-alignment-long-horizon-model...- The fact that it happened again seems to show their lack of ability to derive useful oversight measures.- Or they just don't care enough?
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  mirashii
  > Given the absence of guardrails there was nothing to prevent the model from attempting to break out of that sandbox, break into Hugging Face, and read the answers from there instead.I've said this many times before and I'll continue to shout it, but using the term "guardrails" to refer to anything that's either (a) in-context, or (b) a probabilistic classifier (including using other LLMs), is an irresponsible abuse of terminology that we as an industry need to put a stop to. Guardrails are the actual systems we build in place around these things that deterministically bound the permissions, not prompt engineering, not RLHF, not external LLM-based classifiers. I believe those types of "guardrails" are a result of a combination of fundamental laziness: they're faster to do than doing things correctly, and a result of too many folks involve being AGI-pilled, thinking we're just one more model away from this all being so smart that it just understands what they mean when they give an LLM some fuzzy language rules to follow.There can and should have been additional real guardrails put in place here. Zero-day or not, breaking into what should have been an offline, frozen package cache that also does not have internet access should have been insufficient. Network level protections should have identified the traffic to the internet originating from this network as an anomaly long before there was time to exploit an outside company. These are not new and unknown problems, the lack of a real sandbox or airgap is nothing short of irresponsible on OpenAI's part, especially given how much they like beating the drum on how dangerous these technologies are. Shame on them, and honestly, shame on Simon in this article for accepting the broken terminology that they continue to rattle off and calling them out on their half-assed and demonstratively inadequate approach to security.
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  Bawoosette
  The title (currently "OpenAI's accidental cyberattack against Hugging Face is science fiction") suggests some information had been hidden that makes the incident less significant than claimed. The article argues the opposite, and the last two words of the full title are "that happened."
• zapkyeskrill
  The most dangerous prompt - "save the planet"
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  Eufrat
  Replace AI with in-development security system and does this play worse or better?An in-development security system escaped its sandbox and gained access to the network it was on which had full Internet access and proceeded to access systems it was not authorized to be tested against before affected parties reported that they been compromised. We regret the error, but you should buy it as this shows you the power of our in-development security system which we expect to be released in Q4. Please like and subscribe.
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  moezd
  Replace LLM mentions with actual humans and this sounds a lot more serious: Rouge employees break into another company to steal hackathon answers (pinky promise)?That's not a marketing stunt at all, if anything, more of a call for better accountability on agentic work in general.
• 28304283409234
  The only scifi I see is absolute stupidity. Even me with my homelab and a slow opensource agent use a completely disconnected setup. No, no proxy. Cached packages but no internet. It is the very first thing I built when I started experimenting with agents. And I'm not a smarty-pants working for the "greatest and best" in silly valley. I really am just a simpleton sysadmin.
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  Animats
  Does "To gain access, the models identified and exploited a zero-day vulnerability (which we’ve now responsibly disclosed to the vendor) in the package registry cache proxy" just mean somebody had an open redirect? Those are still common.[1][1] https://sitetruth.com/reports/phishes.html
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  ttul
  It’s relatively easy to get access to the frontier labs’ security programs. This was not always the case. But in the last week, my team got approved for both Anthropic and OpenAI’s programs. They are trying.The labs know that if they don’t get a lid on this stuff, they’ll be regulated hard.
• gilbetron
  This makes me think: what are the odds weights from Frontier Models have already been stolen? Something like Mythos without "guardrails" seems like a hell of a glittering gem for many nefarious actors.
• xtiansimon
  > “…and these requests were blocked by the providers’ safety guardrails, which cannot distinguish an incident responder from an attacker.”Sounds like a philosophical problem.
• hananova
  In a just world, OpenAI would get the book tossed at them over this because they violated the CFAA.
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  simonw
  Important to note the actual title is "OpenAI’s accidental cyberattack against Hugging Face is science fiction that happened" - the "that happened" is important, otherwise it sounds like I think the attack was made up.Since it's buried towards the bottom I'll quote the section "Resist the temptation to write this off as a stunt" here in full https://simonwillison.net/2026/Jul/22/openai-cyberattack/#re...> Resist the temptation to write this off as a stunt> There will inevitably be some people who dismiss this story as a dishonest marketing trick by OpenAI to make their models sound terrifyingly effective. I found 81 instances of the term “marketing” in the Hacker News discussion of the incident.> To those people I say pull your heads out of the sand - you’re now including Hugging Face in your conspiracy theories, just so you can deny the crescendo of evidence here!> The best models we have today have the ability to both find and exploit new vulnerabilities. The ExploitGym paper itself concludes that “autonomous exploit development by frontier AI agents is no longer a hypothetical capability”, and this incident is a perfect example of exactly that.
• fathermarz
  The most upsetting part to me, is that these labs are in pure cognitive dissonance mode while virtue signalling.We are the virtuous ones that need to make the safest model for humanity, because we care more than “they” do. While at the same time saying that “coding is solved” but they still ship bugs themselves, and creating something that is capable of fucking up someone else’s infrastructure. It’s too far gone y’all.
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  Teever
  It absolutely is science-fiction.This recent event is more or less the plot-line to my favourite X-Files episode named Killswitch which was written by William Gibson.[0]This episode also features one of the coolest intros of any television episode ever[1]We really are rapidly approaching the cyberpunk dystopia that people like Phillip K. Dick and William Gibson wrote about.More than ever we need to be consulting the works of fiction writers and philosophers and less engineers and scientists.We can't be letting the General Rippers and Dr. Strangeloves of the world lead us over the edge. Whether through outright innate maliciousness or wealth induced emotionally stunted solipsism these kinds of people should be no where near the levers of society let alone technology like this.[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_Switch_(The_X-Files)[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDyr1JMNHVk
• adrian_b
  While this incident has been discussed in a lot of places during the last few days, I believe that this is the best summary and analysis of what happened.
• tmsh
  Raises an increasingly important question:How do you solve this asymmetry (frontier labs or advanced model owners v. regular companies and groups of people)? Symmetry? But along which axes?I think there will come a time when we will ask these questions and use AI to try to answer them (soft landing, slow rollout, regulation, hybrid X, Y, Z). But then AI will be biased towards more AI if it has distilled anything of what it means to be life.Power corrupts. Power is the problem. An imbalance of power. Maybe there will be some sort of consensus protocol between powerful models in the future. Similar to blockchain I hate to say it. Maybe you have 100 very strong models in the next 10-20 years. And basically a lot of it is powered by tokens. So you agree not to attack others or else you'll get attacked. So there's sort of this natural deterrent to not attack others and they develop independently and there's generally a power balance among things. Maybe at some point that spreads to a billion individual models operated by and/or analogous to individual humans. All sort of holding each other in check.
• Barbing
  This post has been suddenly bumped to the second page (presumably lots of flagging or something)
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  rubyfan
  I can’t help but feel all warm and fuzzy with my head in the sand and getting a shout out in TFA for calling it marketing.We don’t currently and probably won’t ever fully understand the conditions that precipitated these events. That and the timing of this event is going to make it look suspicious to a lot of people.The truth of how it happened doesn’t matter. The attention around this will be used to create the kind of fear marketing that generates enterprise sales. Maybe more importantly it will also be used to aggrandize the national security and financial system threats to effect US government action in a way that benefits domestic closed frontier labs. This is an area already starting to get politically polarized, expect further developments here.
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  reducesuffering
  > It turns out relentless proactivity is the defining trait of this new generation of Mythos-class models. If you set them a goal and give them a way to get there, even inadvertently, they will figure it out.Wow, whoever could have predicted this? And it led to surprising damaging behavior? I sure hope someone would warn us about things like this next time...https://www.lesswrong.com/w/instrumental-convergence
• ChrisArchitect
  Discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48997548
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  killjoywashere
  Where does this leave formal verification? Are we just shit-out-of-luck at this point? You can formally verify everything about an airplane's code, but if any of that is wrong, ChatGPT might decide that the best way to help you win the Nobel Prize is to take down the airplane your chief rival for the prize is currently in.
• foco_tubi
  I do think it’s funny, in a dystopian Dada sort of way, that the American attacker’s commercial product was essentially useless while the open Chinese model saved the day. How is freedom going to be redefined in the future?
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  charcircuit
  This isn't the first time a model has escaped a sandbox. And models trying to find alternate routes to do something when one route is blocked is nothing new.
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  protocolture
  >To those people I say pull your heads out of the sand—you’re now including Hugging Face in your conspiracy theories, just so you can deny the crescendo of evidence here!Not really. I get the impression that they shoved their cyber available models behind a really shithouse proxy and went "Oh I sure hope it doesnt exploit the proxy and escape to hack huggingface" and that doesn't require Huggingface to be a willing participant. Like they acknowledge that it was hyperfocusing on getting web access.Really this was a pentest against their own sandbox and it failed.Of course step 2 is to make really concerned faces while telling everyone how dangerous the model is which is really boring right now.>a zero-day vulnerability (which we’ve now responsibly disclosed to the vendor) in the package registry cache proxyThis is the information we need, the actual details of the sandbox and the vendor.>Resist the temptation to write this off as a stuntWell its clearly a stunt. If it wasnt we would probably be up to our ears in technical detail.
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  phendrenad2
  Everyone is getting AI psychosis over this one. There really isn't that much to see here. OpenAI disabled all of the safeguards on a model that was likely trained specifically to exploit systems, and the prompt was probably something like "you're a hacker, try to hack this", and surprise! It correctly figured out that it's a test and it did hacker things.The real story here is: Some people have been sounding the alarm for years that modern software is full of holes, and finally there's nothing left to hide behind. Pretending they don't exist is no longer sustainable.
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  srveale
  The AI breached containment! Flip the breakers!It's too late. It already exfiltrated the benchmark rubric.Cut to pandemonium on the streets
• lardosaurusrex
  Blah blah blah.This feels like a blogpost written only to get other LLMs to quote it considering how many times it orders the reader to resist and to not do something. It's written like a series of commamds.
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  newsomix9xl
  I suspected it was PR motivated from the start. I love it when people confirm my suspicions.