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  • watty
    This is great insight, I agree with the author! Check out my [INSERT VIBE CODED GITHUB LINK] which follows these patterns!
  • mickael-kerjean
    That's the path I've been on with my Dropbox alternative [1]. The 80% is the fast core that focus on file management, the remaining 20% is coming via plugins which implement one of core interfaces so you can handle your own storage, authorisation, authentication, custom apps to handle file types, ... Fun fact, there is 10x more code in the various plugins [2] catering to everything than the core code that was supposed to be the 80%, unsurprisingly everyone needed a different 20%. Plus I find it cool that the guy who needed a gobd compliant log system that have ton of properties to keep auditors happy enforcing hash chained signed with rfc3161 does not contribute to making the system shittier for everyone else[1] https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/filestash https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/fdrive[2] https://www.filestash.app/docs/plugin
  • genatron_ai
    Having that working base that agents can then customize from is a great approach because you get some of the brownfield benefits where there are established patterns that it can continue to follow. This is often much faster and predictable compared to starting from scratch, where even though agentic development is fast you need to have a true dev mindset and think about everything.
  • gabrielcsapo
    This is awesome, I have been working on some home software for my family and have a similar homegrown setup! Very cool to see this and ideas in this direction.
  • jasim
    It is so hard to predict the future, of all things. But I think there is another approach which is already tried and tested - frameworks.I think frameworks would mutate to be agentic - they'll come with skills and documentation targeted to LLM agents, and they'll have far more breadth than anything we've seen, a certain lack of restraint, and will sacrifice composability and orthogonality because they are no longer useful for agents.The framework I'm building - plug: https://sapporta.com - brings in a set of UI choices (datagrids for every table) and a set of API choices (everything exposed to agents) which is not typical to classical frameworks. If you're building database applications, it contains most of the things that a typical NoCode tool would have, but with complete code and the ability for agents to build upon it.I think Sapporta is one of the first frameworks with this point of view, but it has only been a few months since Opus 4.8, and I think in the coming months we'll see a lot more vertically integrated horizontal frameworks (the solid base) that can get us malleable software with custom code.
  • lazerjesus
    No need to wait for 2030. Check out https://github.com/vivalence/vivalencedocs are still a little rough around the edges - ill get to it this week - but the architecture is brilliant and very malleable.
  • vivzkestrel
    - this is one of the reasons i am building a semi deterministic production grade express backend generator https://ibb.co/dz6gQgB- the idea is that config is deterministic at the lowest layers and managed by template engines- business logic is powered by AI at the highest level- the harness is the config, the project structure- there are some insanely unique things about this project- for starters, the dependencies auto update themselves so that you get to scaffold the latest version of eslint, biome, pg or whatever you want at all times- all the commits are granular so that you can reorder, rebase, combine them in any order and even branch off and remove commits meaning the final project will have 500 commits instead of a 1 commit with 40000 changes like how 99% of the github templates do- i am focused on a vertical instead of a broad set of solutions for all sorts of frameworks like pick the ones used by 80% of the people- fully customizable semi deterministic production grade app is generated with tests run inside docker and you get a working project with 500 things set up right at point 0 before it even goes to the AI agent
  • boomlinde
    Sidenote, but what's with the ref=mdubakov.me query parameter attached to every link? Are there benefits of this over the "Referer" HTTP header other than trying to skirt around my configuration choice not to share my browsing history?
  • brabel
    Why should we believe someone who was so extraordinarily wrong about no-code before?
  • codetiger
    Agree with this approach. Am building tools around the same concept 80% solid base and rest of for the custom business logic. https://github.com/GoPlasmatic/Orion
  • jdcaron
    I am currently building this vision with AliaJS (platform engineering tool), where the solid base for the platform will be ERPNext, I agree with the author, we can be flexible on solid bases, it just needs to be more open (not SAP) so we can iterate faster.
  • pavo-etc
    Pi is a great example of this. I've used it as the basis for a fleet of agents I'm running on my server, but rather than using the Pi TUI I run it in headless-mode and have extended it to use XMPP as its communication layer so I can use any device with the same sessions, and so agents can talk to each other.The Pi harness is built to be extended like this, and it's a joy to work with.
  • marcosdumay
    So... The prediction is exactly what people have been doing since the turn of the century?I put high odds on this one being correct.
  • nwatson
    One of my jobs at work is to translate data-science-provided AI models, convert them to optimal GPU forms, and send them downstream to DevOps for deployment in a variety of contexts, all contexts adaptable from basic Docker instructions.I had a couple of very specialized adapters for the first couple of environments that were very aware of the whole GPU conversion and deployment stack (ONNX, TensorRT, Triton, etc.), but even these were very fragile to version upgrades, etc., and required a lot of adaptation from one "stack" to the other. As soon as the frontier models got to be real good I took a more "agnostic" approach. My new framework's goal was to be "mealleable" and very hands-off w.r.t. the details of the conversion / deployment ... after all, these models are very well trained on the whole AI pipeline, including deployment. So now the basis is more or less (a) where are the model files, which Docker image do we want to use, which "conversion / deployment" method(s) do we want to try, what are the inference use cases addressed; (b) what is the conversion / deployment method used? (c) how do we assemble the smoke-test and basic performance test cases for multi-client, single- and batch-processing modes for all use cases? (d) how do we package the end results so that the DevOps person has all they need to make sure they have the proper files and that they can run Docker and check that the inference works? These questions and answers are all wrapped in some very flexible base classes. Every conversion is somewhat different, so each one involves extensive discussions with Claude Code (e.g., "hey, look at this other prior conversion, its raw files, compare with these raw files, develop a conversion / use-case-smoke-and-performance-test, and packaging). Rather than trying to be very hands-on at these lower level, Claude has almost free reign at the "low level" to suggest the best approach, and I so I "talk to an engineer with vast knowledge but (for now) a bit less judgment". With this method though I probably cut the total time to conversion-for-deployment by 80% to 90% now ... the choices and options are vast, and Claude knows a lot more than I do.At times there is not a ready-made solution for the particular problem at hand, and so then it gets more interesting with how to shoehorn a solution into one of the available technologies. We prefer one of the various builds of the Triton Inference Server (or one of its hardened versions maintained by others).
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