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  encyclopedism
  Alarming normalisation. Issues I see off the top of my head:- Governments can now learn even more about you when they confiscate your device.- Devices confiscated at airports provide a full history of you.- Privacy issues: will my conversation with someone using this tech truly be private? Do I have to be careful what I say around everyone by default? Always have clear thought out opinions?- Personal relations: spouses, friends, relatives demanding to see your history to check up on you and what you've been 'thinking'?- Society where nothing can be assumed to be private by default- Slippery slope to a future where you have always on location, cameras, mics for everyone with a mobile device. A complete reshaping of society. Therefore being unable to count on previous societal normsAnyone got any other issues they can think of?
• VCFundedGenYer
  This feature will not make it to release.Just like Recall, it's completely DOA.
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  jsw97
  This is, I believe, a felony in Massachusetts.https://www.romanolaw.com/can-i-record-a-conversation-in-mas... (Linking to discussion, not the statute, because it confirms that it is in fact enforced.)Come to think of it, this would also include smart glasses, etc. And whatever those LG devices were doing. Paging the AG...
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  haute_cuisine
  With "use it or loose it" brain feature, I don't really want my natural recap skill to atrophy to make me dependent on this sort of tech. Not considering that they can secretly ship other monitoring features to constantly scan for certain discussions.
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  Molitor5901
  There has always been the myth/rumor/belief that our devices are always listening. I wonder if this is an overton window moment, get people used to a device actually listening and slowly move to all devices listening.
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  bondarchuk
  Crazy that this is about to be normalized. Can't help but think the discourse of "they already record everything anyway" of the past couple years (even in the absence of complete proof) has played a part.
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  sdcfgy
  That’s going to be a hell of a security risk for us. I think it’ll be a no watches policy in the office going forward.
• algoth1
  Nice, no need for an LG TV anymore
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  gumby
  I like the idea (we’ll see about the execs). It seems to record what I would remember anyway (“yesterday you and Joe and Anupam talked about going fishing a chose a date”) unless I was distracted.It’s like the cameras in the glasses. If all they said is what _I_ know (“That’s Julie who worked in the same group as you at company Z three years ago. You also ran into her at the grocery store shortly after you quit Z and it was awkward” but not tell me anything about Julie I wouldn’t know, like spouse or where she now works or anything like that”) it would be an excellent prosthesis. Public figures have humans who do this for them.Unfortunately the glasses makers don’t understand the difference and make it too general and privacy destroying. This Apple thing might be OK in my opinion..but the reality remains to be seen.
• commandlinefan
  And if you want to use the (safety oriented!) CarPlay functionality, you HAVE to enable Siri, even if you'd rather not have the damned thing listening to you all the time.
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  Espressosaurus
  How does this work in two party consent states? It seems nuts on the face of it.I guess they devolve liability onto the user and wash their hands of it?
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  tyrabound
  The most pernicious thing about all of these matters is that now even if you don’t carry or own any kind of device, you don’t have a smart tv or any similar device or even WiFi at all … all of those around you are effectively the STASI spy network of friends and family and neighbors and random people all spying on you passively if not out or ignorance and carelessness.Short of owning several acres and being able to essentially build a faraday home, you’re effectively going to be in the United Stasi of America.This is not partisan matter short of the people against the ruling class tyrants that always exempt themselves of everything they impose on others. This started a long time ago and all ad insertions went along with it, that includes those the system has presented to you as your champions as well as those they’ve dialectically framed as your arch nemeses.
• stblack
  Siri cannot tell whether I'm speaking English or French. It's not even close.I have manually corrected "sale" to "sail" a thousand times post dictation, and Siri doesn't notice, it's "sale" always.This transcription feature is gonna be a sad joke. This is Apple doubling-down on shit that doesn't work, and has never really worked.
• soapdog
  Hence why I wear an old pebble to this day. Smart where it matters but not a data siphoning device.
• moepstar
  That’s actually a good thing to me, wasn’t going to get another Apple Watch anyways - now that’s an even firmer decision now.My reasoning so far was that I absolutely didn’t get the use out of it I envisioned and, to my even bigger surprise, the integration between Watch and iPhone wasn’t even that good…
• khalic
  I don’t think it bothers me, as long as the audio isn’t stored… but I can definitely see why it would bother some people.The device microphones are already always listening, this just makes use of that sound a lot more than just listening for “hey siri”.
• hncbw02z5a
  built a meeting bot once, forgot the consent chime, legal killed it same week
• eshack94
  Can this be disabled?
• stranded22
  I’m audhd - I LOVE this. It will be so helpful (I hope)
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  seethishat
  It always amuses me when I hear people complaining about the privacy issues with Flock cameras (on public roads) while wearing an Apple Watch or carrying an iPhone in their pocket everywhere they go.
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  napolux
  Never bought a smartwatch, even when I was in love with the Pebble. I hate having to charge it every day. I don't need notifications on my wrist.I have a Casio that has a 10 years battery and dual timezone I need when I travel and a TAG Heuer when I need a "better looking" watch.I don't need to track steps or trainings. Even when I did it was with stupid gadgets like early fitbit bands without displays.When I will need something that will alert people when I fall (in many years from now, hopefully) I will use a specialized device.* You don't need a smartwatch. *
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  troupo
  Quote: "Watching this Apple event tout how iPhones will soon be able to record ambient audio/conversations and transcribe "high level notes" for you. It's billed as private and end-to-end encrypted, but I think the bigger harm is the normalization of always-listening devices. It's creepy and not normal."https://mastodon.social/@zackwhittaker/117242363654801025
• zuhsetaqi
  Thanks to Hey Siri, your Apple Watch is always listening.
• trolleski
  You are the product.
• ksec
  I lost count how many times my boss will just flat out lie. This will be a very useful feature.
• xbar
  Um. Apple?
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  speedgoose
  Sincerely, what the fuck Apple?> Your data is not accessible to Apple either, thanks to Private Cloud Compute, and "independent security experts can verify this promise at any time". Siri Recaps auto-delete after seven days too. Apple is serious about getting users to trust this feature.Alright. Let say I’m an independent security expert, how could I verify? I can’t, right?
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  chrisjj
  > Speakers are not identifiedApple thinks that's a benefit, apparently.
• basisword
  Personally I think it's a silly risk for Apple to do this - but don't Granola and a bunch of other high profile apps already do this? Add to that the number of meetings I'm on now filled with 'John's AI companion' recording the entire thing largely because people enable this nonsense and don't know or care how to stop it. The ship has sailed sadly. The more of this always on recording we have the more society is going to change. We already hear about young people scared to have fun because they might be recorded. Next it'll be people scared to share opinions (or anything gossipy) because it could be recorded and plausible deniability no longer exists.
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