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Australia says it could follow Canada in forging deeper ties with EU

Australia says it could follow Canada in forging deeper ties with EU

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  • mindwok
    As an Australian, I have noticed a shift personally in feeling like I identify more with "European" culture, compared to 10 years ago I felt like we were the 51st state and I felt very close with the US.This seems to be shared by others, I remember reading there was a survey that asked Australians who they felt our closest international friend was. The US was the top answer for over a decade, having stolen the crown from the UK I think in the late 90s or something. Recently though, it switched to New Zealand.
  • FlowingRiver
    It is an interesting position we are in here, I suspect we will do the usual thing and walk the middle road. Australia, is part of the Commonwealth, huge trade partner with Asia and allies with the US. Why not throw Canada into the mix some more.This setup is why I call this place an equal opportunist whore. If we can do business with you, we will. I also call it the worlds largest Mining town, but that just acknowledging the reality of the place a little.As much as many are going against the US, I don't think there is much constitution at the top here to make such a bold move. We will just be pottering around down here hoping all the bad stuff passes us by as nobody notices us.
  • bjt12345
    The Australian government has always taken "great interest" in what Canada does in regards to policy - they practically copy Canada all the time, even my Economics lecturer made a point about this. This isn't news.Australia also has a huge problem with exports. For decades, China had huge demand for Australia's resources, particularly Iron Ore. However China is reducing this, so Australia needs a new plan.
  • nl
    Just to be clear on this - Australia is primarily interested in methods of reducing trade barriers, not any sort of political union.Australia is economically served well by free trade: most of its production is low cost, high quality primary production of mining outputs and agricultural goods (grains, wool and meat) where if price and quality are the primary selection criteria it wins.The downside of this is that Australia hasn't really got any significant manufacturing or advanced technology industry.But it has made Australia one of the best performing economies of the past 25 years.
  • manyatoms
    This seems like a careful way to send a message to US Congress about what they're enabling.
  • ernsheong
    They should resurrect the Commonwealth into a stronger union of sorts instead of just playing sports every four years.
  • spiralpolitik
    I'm guessing Canada and Australia would go for an EFTA 'lite' type deal. As EFTA doesn't require a customs union it's probably the easiest to implement and build up from.I think they amended EFTA to require free movement which was a no-op as all the EFTA countries had free movement with the EU. I could see the EU agreeing to a NAFTA style workers visa if they really wanted push the freedom of movement side hence the 'lite' bit.
  • mattoxic
    Australia is blessed with quite the spineless government at the moment. I doubt very much that they would be doing anything (at all actually) as concrete as forging deeper ties with Europe - at least at the expense of the US. After all, it wasn't so long ago that Australia handed the US $800 million of its citizen's hard-earned for submarines that might not ever get built within an alliance that looks increasingly one-sided.
  • Danox
    Australia and New Zealand should definitely do so. If they haven’t figured it out after a year and 3/4 they never will.
  • hn_submit
    I believe this will turn around. The mood is a sign of the times and the general dislike of the man in the White House.But he won't be there forever yet Canada will always be the U.S.' Northern neighbor, biggest trading partner and cultural big brother.Carney is simply looking elsewhere for friends after being insulted by Trump who treats him like a subordinate and not someone of equal standing. He may even be foolish enough to cozy up to China.As for Australia, I don't understand the vibe here. Trump hasn't mentioned Australia becoming a U.S. territory in any speeches I've heard. Again, maybe it's a general dislike for the man and his roughshod policies.
  • jojobas
    Like ordering the submarines from France... again?
  • dude250711
    Do it. Make it less embarrassing for UK to come back too somehow.
  • ChrisArchitect
  • kelt_row
    Hope this means less friction for EU/AU tech companies. Navigating different privacy laws is a pain.
  • NDlurker
    I love Australia. Amazing country. Great people. I'd move back in an instant if given the opportunity. As an American, I always felt welcome there, but haven't been there since 2016. It'll be interesting seeing how attitudes have changed when I'm back visiting in 2028.
  • bhaak
    That's a brilliant move by von der Leyen and Mark Carney (I guess he's in on it as well).There is currently no such status as "associate member" defined in the EU treates although the idea of special status for not being a complete member was floating around for a while now.Just calling it a "unique alliance" or "deepening of their relationship" wouldn't have had such a public effect.Half of the right wing influencers on X is going bananas because when the US was "offering" Canada to join them, they said a firm "NO" but for the EU they are opening the door.Trump even said when the Canada joins the EU as associate member, it could be considered a hostile act.All that for a status nobody knows yet what it will entail. More than a simple trade deal, for sure, but also a lot less than a proper membership.
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  • bpbp-mango
    The current government seems to be quite determined to pretend our British heritage isn't a large and important part of us. I don't understand it.
  • avazhi
    As yes, I was wondering when my Federal government’s sense of FOMO would compel it to needlessly yap into the void like anybody cares. I see today was the day.
  • jmyeet
    This and Canada are just kneejerk reactions against the chaos of the Trump administration. While that makes sense, my prediction is that in the short-term it won't amount to much. In the long-term, history books will write about these years as redefining the world order that's existed largely since 1945.As for Canada, nobody really knows what associate membership means. Given that EU freedoms are reciprocal I just don't see this going anywhere. Plus there's been a free trade deal with the EU on the table for a decade that hasn't been ratified.As for redefining the world order, that's what this war of choice in Iran will amount to. In the short-to-medium term it's going to redefine the Gulf security architecture. The refusal to restrain Israel probably means Russia will swallow the eastern chunk of Ukraine they occupy.And of course the big winner in all of this is China who have had to do absolutely nothing.Empires don't die overnight and they die violently. This is going to be bad but I honestly see no way the US can restore its position as the global hegemon. It's influence has peaked. And I don't believe anything will reverse that.So I don't know what this means for Australia. It has operated essentially as an American colonial outpost since the Cold War. The geography was once much more important to cover the sky for receiving satellite communications.Selling raw resources is ultimately untenable for an economy (IMHO) but Australia has gone down the path of turning the entire economy into a massive Ponzi scheme of housing, like almost every other developed nation. When housing is the only logical investment, it dominates capital and lending and productive output falls off a cliff, which is exactly what happened.
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  • bethekidyouwant
    Canada is just trying to encourage Europe to invest in Canada which is fine I suppose… all the power to Europeans if they want to invest their money here instead of the US… but I am not holding my breath
  • unixhero
    Can I move to Asutralia now... please
  • whatsThisBtn4
    Okay but the world doesn't work like this.Anyone in academic international relations knows Realism is the only thing that matters.I suppose since HN is a Western tech website, they don't know international relations and believe in International Relations Idealism/institutionalism.It's genuinely US vs China now.You can go full neutral Ukraine and see how that works out. You can side with China who has 0 political freedom and did 100,000,000 forced abortions.Gosh if Kamala was elected, there'd still be a war in Iran, but we'd pretend it's different. Obama bombed Syria and no one cared.The orange man is unbelievably incompetent, but this happened in Athens with Alcibidies and Cleon. Do we hate giving the uneducated masses a vote?