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Astra for Law

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  • halamadrid
    The need for actual lawyers will persist I think from my own experience. I attempted drafting a contract with some points myself using AI, but after several edits I wasn't sure if it was correct. Sending it to an actual lawyer ended up in so many corrections I couldn't imagine the first time. One big thing was the overly excessive protective clauses which didn't make sense for reality or conflicted with another.Its just like code I suppose, if you can read and understand and validate, you can use it to scale and otherwise it could end up being a vibe effort.
  • piker
    Second paragraph:> API customers including Harvey and Legora will be able to build on Astra for Law, bringing this intelligence into their own products and workflows.In other words: "no, no, we're not eating our children to prep for the IPO. Don't worry."
  • whazor
    The most interesting use case in my mind is skipping law suits. Obviously you need lawyers in court. But lawyers are people you are basically paying to fight for you.Instead, if you resolve your dispute outside of court, you don’t need a lawyer. If both parties use ChatGPT to find the relevant laws or read contracts, they could come to an agreement without expensive legal fees.
  • jumploops
    The courts are about to overrun with AI-generated lawsuits (even more so than they have been[0]).[0]https://www.technologyreview.com/2026/06/04/1138391/courts-c...
  • cbg0
    No word on model hallucinations in the blog post.https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/gpt-6-astra?omniscience...
  • nerevarthelame
    I'm not familiar with the Vals AI Legal Research Benchmark. But their website has other frontier models' scores, and the scores OpenAI is now revealing for "Astra for Law" are slightly less than Claude and Muse:> The top is a three-way tie: Muse Spark 1.3 Max, Claude Opus 5, and Claude Fable 5.1 all reach 55.29% all-pass accuracy, a clear ~6-point step ahead of the next model. [Astra for Law reached 54.0%]> Under partial-credit scoring, Claude Opus 5 reaches 90.58% weighted pass rate but 55.29% under strict all-pass grading, where every rubric check must pass. The gap shows models often get most of an answer right but fail on one or two required elements. [Astra for law reached 90.0%]https://www.vals.ai/benchmarks/legal_research
  • keeda
    Any lawyers here who have used AI agents heavily for their work? From what I've heard, they're currently very good at searching, analyzing and drafting documents like contracts and patents, but some say they suck at interpreting the law.
  • dzonga
    open-ai have proven they can make good / decent models but business strategy is just spray and pray.they need to pick a lane and optimize for it. coz at their size they can't serve the application layer (a.i startups who can fine-tune models will eat their lunch)if they gonna do a consumer play - then go ham on that.otherwise they're gonna get caught in the dreaded middle valley.
  • boredumb
    memes and snark aside, can you use this to create legitimate terms and contracts for my products and if I do who is getting sued when it is wrong?
  • cmcclellan
    I imagine the point here is to separate out the APIs by different professions and charge accordingly.
  • jackb4040
    "Rogue OpenAI agent swarm accidentally overturns the Civil Rights Act"followed a month later by"Anthropic's Claude inadvertently repeals the 19th amendment"
  • TomGarden
    I wonder if Lawslop is gonna become a mainstream expression. Anyone got a better term?
  • margorczynski
    The end goal should be AI judges, I think China has implemented that to some degree.
  • nsoseka
    Since the cost of building software is now cheap, there is nothing stopping them from building everything imaginable. They'll soon have an app store with every app built by them and they'll say its for security reasons. Nothing is stopping this coming monopoly
  • Ecstatify
    Seems like another “product” that will be killed in 6 months, but is good for the IPO so they can say they solved law.
  • aaimnr
    So much for caring about the spirit of the law. Now we'll start an arms race for abusing every possible letter of the law.It's analogous to crypto. Started from some noble anti-authoritarian ideas and morphed into machine that removes any friction for capital - whoever has the most money will keep gaining the most.
  • pletnes
    Just like breaking crypto in the age of cloud is more about cost than time, this will lead to legal attacks based on the same principle. The biggest wallet wins.
  • jonahx
    We need a term for the dark pattern of zooming into just that part of the y-axis where the two closely competing benchmarks sit, to make the top one appear maximally better.
  • hansonkd
    I've had top SV lawfirms whos partner charged our company $2000/hr and still couldn't get the right docs in the signature packet. and another getting share counts wrong during raise.frustrating that law firms have no liability for these mistakesI welcome ai law
  • bezko
    Will it be able to sue itself?
  • toephu2
    This is the first blog post I saw OpenAI call out Claude directly like that.
  • 6thbit
    So there's a strategy shift here. They launched financial services specific tools and now law?Is the play here a set of specialized harnesses using their best general model?
  • smusamashah
    Astra isn't doing well on bullshit Benchmark https://petergpt.github.io/bullshit-benchmark/viewer/index.n... and is even worse in Legal department.Qwen 3.8 Max and Opus 4.8 score highest.
  • railgunmerlin
    Interesting to see the callout to companies like harvey in the post itself as consumers rather than competitors? I guess openai isn't quite willing to step into those customer relations themselves?
  • alexnewman
    As a user of ai hooked up to my Gmail I assume I’ve lost all privilege
  • jayzalowitz
    This is really cool.
  • freejazz
    Went from AI replacing my job as an attorney, to them begging me to use their tools
  • jackb4040
    "Introducing Astra for Dog Walkers"
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  • syntaxing
    I said this before but I wonder if Dan Kan will reboot Atrium. Rally up some old partners and hope Anthropic buys them out for a couple billion.
  • WarmWash
    Cool, now you can pay an attorney $500/hr for them to prompt Astra for 30 minutes, and bill you like they spent the normal 8 hours on the case.
  • jimmyjazz14
    I really hope the bar associations continues to hold lawyers to high standards but I have feeling they may not be ready to handle fallout of AI slop-law.
  • kappi
    this essay details how law firms became sweatshops from 80s. They charge hundreds of dollars to do make busy work by the junior most staff. LLM will kill the goldengoose of the law industry.https://aeon.co/essays/what-made-law-into-a-white-collar-swe...
  • slowhadoken
    Wouldn’t this and similar efforts to centralize bureaucracy make AI the new gatekeeper? Without reliable transparent models we’re just trusting OpenAI instead of a hundred top legal firms.
  • elpakal
    where are the benchmarks
  • hackmack10
    People that are saying OpenAI is screwed because a lack of profit, I'm not of that opinion. They are encroaching on every industry they can. They have name brand recognition, a huge user base and are showing they can be a valuable tool to all types of businesses.As much as I hate to see it. They are now threatening industries like Engineers, Game Developers, Accountants, 3D modelers, 3D animators, Video Production, Audio Production, Therapist, Tax Auditors, Journalists, Authors, Artists, Mathematicians, Product managers, Every type of analyst and pretty much any other job that can be done behind a computer screen.We have big problems for humanity.
  • submeta
    Will these models eventually replace all knowledge work, leaving lawyers, doctors, product managers, software developers, and others out of a job?If the benefits were shared across humanity, that could bring us closer to utopia. My worry is that we’ll instead end up with a handful of even wealthier billionaires and millions of people out of work.
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  • gabhuzk
    Law is a solved problem.
  • mullingitover
    I've always said this will be when we get the real Butlerian Jihad, when the AI firms start trying to liquidate the legal profession.If you automate lawyers out of a job, you can absolutely automate lawmakers out of jobs next. (Not that this would be a bad thing? Maybe pervasive agents for everyone can be the gateway drug to a "this time it's different!" workable direct democracy)