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- collingreenVery well written both in prose and tone. I'm glad she decided to tell this story. If the author isn't a professional writer I think she could be.This is a great "behind the scenes" style look at the actual people behind a viral clip. Luckily they have an extremely strong relationship to help soften the blows here, I'm not sure an average (not even bad!) relationship could come out of something like this unscathed.There's something feral in us that comes out from time to time, especially online from the safety of our screens. I found the announcers within the range of good fun but when it gets to people reaching out to break up their marriage or telling him to kill himself it becomes really sobering.I think this is part of what people are calling the lonlieness epidemic - despite thousands of screaming voices the whole thing makes me feel hollow and hopeless.
- dividefuelI had my first kid a couple years ago and found myself spending a ton of time holding my kid while he slept, since it's the only way he'd reliably sleep. I spent a good amount of that time browsing various parenting and new baby subreddits.One very common pattern I saw is that the conclusion is always that the dad is useless. Any provided facts are downplayed. Any omitted facts are imagined in the most negative light possible. And to be fair, there really are LOTS of cases where the dad is useless. The issue is more that posts needed to contain a mountain of evidence to return a neutral ground where the dad is no longer seen as a piece of garbage, rather than starting from neutral ground.I feel for moms, who in addition to giving birth and having their lives upended to raise a baby, are now told that not only are most men garbage, but their man is garbage too. I feel for the dads, who even if they work hard are told how useless they are, and have to combat a stream of negativity fed to their spouse. It's a divisive wedge thrown into a new family, one that social media algorithms are only happy to encourage for engagement.When I see instances like the one in this topic, I can see how the default narrative has been applied here. The radio announcers surely aren't aware of the storm they're creating, but it suddenly thrusts two average people into the social media spotlight, where people are happy to assume any missing details to fit their narrative. Everyone is going to apply the default story without taking any time to consider the possibility of other context.EDIT TO ADD: I know there are manosphere spaces that are toxic too. As a man I've had no problem avoiding them, so this is one of my first extended exposures to this type of content, which is why it stuck with me. Probably also because I felt personally unwelcome as a dad.
- snovymgodymA really toxic part of online interactions is that it's very common for people to see a tiny snippet of another person's life and then project all of their own personal resentments onto them.
- artmanja111Giants fan here. Watched the game. Even when it was happening and before knowing any of this, I could tell that Kruk and Kuip were going too far. It was starting to get super uncomfortable.For those who aren't Giants/baseball fans, Mike Krukow (the Giants' color commentator) is retiring at the end of this season. He and Duane Kuiper have been the Giants' primary TV broadcast team for something like 37 years and have been best friends since they were teammates in the early '80s.Krukow's mind is still sharp, but he has inclusion body myositis, and it's becoming unsafe for him to be anywhere other than at home.It's just an emotional situation all around. They both thought that they would probably continue broadcasting together for at least a few more years, and now they're not.So they're pulling out all of their usual schticks -- including poking fun at the fans -- and taking them really, really far because they know it's the last time.I'm sure they would agree they went a little too far with that one.
- hefner1456If it was the other way around they would be saying what a hero he is lol.Kinda off topic, but as a single Father I cant help but notice how much less of a support system Fathers get. When shit hits the fan its always people assuming the worst. A Fathers major support system is their Wives and Family. Good for him for having such a great Woman by his side... Im not complaining, just an observation
- minimaxirViral clip in question: https://www.tiktok.com/@espnatbat/video/7688719334973230366Article is about the impact of social media pile-ons (and has been getting praise within tech) so it is within scope for HN.
- figassisThat this is something that has to be told to adults is the saddest part of humanity. No one has grown up.
- didgetmasterAlmost anyone can be seen as a hero or a zero if the right 15 second clip is captured. We love it when our best moments hit social media, but everyone also piles on when we are caught at our worst (or what appears to be bad, even if it not).It is amazing how many haters emerge like in this case, when there is so much more to the story.
- UberFlyThis should be required reading before you get your internet drivers license.
- dagorenoufIt’s making me sad that this article needed to exist in the first place. Just leave people alone.
- lukehandcoolEveryone loves to hate right away when they see something like this. It's a good practice to try to make up a story that gives an alternate, less vilifying explanation to what you're seeing. This is a great response from Erika. Thanks for sharing.
- satvikpendemQuite a common thing to see online where strangers judge relationships off some small slice. You see it on reddit and relationship subs all the time.
- InsanityYou never know what others are going through, or what is happening in a relationship between two people, even when you think you’re close to them. So the online masses making these judgements based on a short clip is kinda insane although it doesn’t surprise me.
- RzorDavid Foster Wallace's This is Water speech more relevant than ever.
- abnryThat man has found a treasure of a woman!
- vjvjvjvjghvThe real scandal is the prices on the menu she posted.
- hmokiguessPart of being grounded and self aware is realizing you are not your thoughts and not everything you believe is true.The brain does what it does in an attempt to help you, but not often it hits the mark, sometimes it takes a bit of a reminder to pause and unpack things more carefully.
- karpovv-borisWhy someone even should explain yourself in this situation? It shows that something is broken in the society.
- criddellShe’s a great writer.A lot of people owe this family an apology. Here’s a sampling of some of the vile comments left on Reddit.https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/1wpll52/clip_of_a_...
- oleleleAll other things aside, 20 dollars for a can of beer!?
- brandonmencAnd yet, tons of comments on Threads from women saying she's been gaslit or even that the husband must have threatened her with violence and forced her to write this.You can't win with these people.
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- hliyanAnother important story hiding in there:> Six weeks before my daughter was born, my employer of 13 years laid off my entire division. Ramses had just put up the down payment on a bigger home for our growing family. My unemployment meant he was facing the mortgage payments and managing a remodel on his own, while we prepared to welcome another child.
- _3u10It’s great to see her setting a role model for others.
- bad_haircut72Another side to the story is that I wonder how many of the reddit/tiktok posts pouring gasoline on the discourse were LLMs.
- andrepdAlgorithmic social media amplifies and promotes our basest, vilest impulses. Crowds were always worse than people, but now these "technologies" put that into turbo-overdrive, 5 billion people at a time, pushed and prodded by the engagement-maxxing machine. I don't see a bright future if we don't get a hand on this, and I don't see us getting a hand on this.
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