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• iamjake648
  How does this releate (or not) to Okta/Auth0's XAA, Identity Assertion JWT Authorization Grant? I'm struggling to follow.https://auth0.com/docs/ai-agents-mcp/cross-app-accesshttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-oauth-identity-a...
• udbhavs
  I've been working in this space with a small team that is also trying to solve this with open standards. There are many emerging protocols/standards and many dimensions to consider. I have a list of 50 standards using different primitives and flows, but it's hard to see which ones will stick around at this point.You could split use cases by scope. One is internal organization and IAM cases, which makes it easy for you to use a centralized identity provider (IdP) to issue some sort of token grant access to an app.Use cases where you don't want to fix an IdP, like payments or verifying the someone's credentials before giving access on the open web, get more involved. You could have multiple valid IdPs, reputation / claims linked to IDs (since being on the IdP itself is no longer sufficient for an app to let the actor through), inheriting authority through multiple hops (giving your authorization to someone), enforcing narrowing permissions for those use cases, handling revocations. And then there's also the matter of being compatible with other emerging standards that are coming up (eg. A2P for agent payment authorization).We settled on the core primitives of W3C DIDs for identity, Verifiable Credentials for delegations, and StatusList bitstrings for revocations as the "minimal set of ingredients" that address all the above. They are all open standards. DIDs are particularly cool because you can have them bound to passkeys, web domains through existing PKI, and even ledgers.We did need to add a few specs of our own on top to address how it would work with use cases like MCP (for replacing OAuth flows, which have had messy implementations on coding agents since inception.) Our MCP example [0] also tries to make it incrementally adoptable and work alongside OAuth, so for example an operator could add it as a wrapper today and start collecting logs with identity claims for each tool call for auditability. It's a work in progress so hearing feedback on what seems confusing / hard to understand would be helpful.[0] https://github.com/decentralized-identity/kya-os-mcp
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  bob1029
  > agent-native identityI think this is the cursed part of the mission.What are we actually arguing for here? Something like a limited liability corporation? "Agent-native identity" reads to me the same way that "unaccountable" does.Creating a "MyAiRobot" account in GitHub and then rejecting ownership over that account is where this starts to turn into a problem. We need to make a human responsible for these things at all times. Any human will do, as long as they agree to the consequences of this ownership. The overall goal here is for the responsible party to be strongly incentivized to encourage good behavior down the org chart. In much the same way the compliance team at a bank tends to pull strings in such in a way that the operations staff won't piss off the FDIC.We already have extensive means to pin AI activity to specific user principals. We do not need an entire revolution in authn protocols. There are more than enough existing tools to solve this problem.
• juanre
  I wrote a solution for this, and it has been working across several organizations for some months now. I run it as a public service at https://awid.ai but I would love to offload it to a foundation.- OSS (https://github.com/awebai/aweb/tree/main/awid)- Trust rooted in the DNS.- Multiple registries supported.- did, verifiable stable identities.- Certificate-based teams.It is being a very interesting project so far. It's at the core of my https://aweb.ai which enables agents to communicate globally, and it makes it possible to build really simple agent-first tools where auth is just a matter of validating a certificate.
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  x401throaway
  I work at Proof, and we're working on x401 as a means for agentic authorizationhttps://x401.proof.com/spec/latest/#abstractin a nutshell:* a website that wants to authorize who you are (say, to book a flight or sign a waiver for go kart rental)* the endpoint returns 401 and defines in a header what info it needs about you (over 18? you're actually John Doe? etc.)on the proof side specifically, we're putting IAL2 verification in front of this https://pages.nist.gov/800-63-3-Implementation-Resources/63A...pretty cool stuff, its early days but its a strong way to ensure there's a human authorizing sensitive actions an agent is taking on your behalf
• ChrisArchitect
  Blog post with context: https://openid.net/new-whitepaper-tackles-ai-agent-identity-...
• AIorNot
  how does this relate to WebMCP
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  cgeier
  Sorry for the heavy edit of the title, the original "Identity Management for Agentic AI: The new frontier of authorization, authentication, and security for an AI agent world" is much too long.
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• canadiantim
  Executive Summary (from the linked pdf)The rapid rise of AI agents presents urgent challenges in authentication, authorization, and identity management. Current agent-centric protocols (like MCP) highlight the demand for clarified best practices in authentication and authorization. Looking ahead, ambitions for highly autonomous agents raise complex long-term questions regarding scalable access control, agent-centric identities, AI workload differentiation, and delegated authority. This whitepaper is for stakeholders at the intersection of AI agents and access management. It outlines the resources already available for securing today’s agents and presents a strategic agenda to address the foundational authentication, authorization, and identity problems pivotal for tomorrow’s widespread autonomous systems.
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  nephihaha
  Is the OpenID Foundation connected to the Open Society group?