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• sphars
  Reminds me of this website for checking classless stylesheets.https://dohliam.github.io/dropin-minimal-css/
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  shikwasa
  I understand the "starting point" part but I find the emphasis on "classless" interesting: you basically have to introduce a non-element selector as soon as you want make even the smallest layout change.For anything beyond a single page document, I find something like matcha.css (https://matcha.mizu.sh, you can even pick your custom build on the same page) a practical starting point if you want to stay close to the elements.
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  toymin
  Quite a few of them look off on mobile, they either have no edge margins at all or they're too large and force the user to scroll horizontally
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  testerius
  I have not written any CSS from scratch since years. Does normalize.css/reset.css are still viable and used? I use Tailwind because of components design, so I wonder what actually current trends are in context of small/alternative CSS solutions.
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  thih9
  I’m surprised how few of them support dark mode.IMHO today dark mode support is part of reasonable defaults.
• bryanhogan
  I've been building something similar which should also be used as a starting point for web development.It includes a setup for simple plain CSS that can scale. It's split into a reset.css, var.css, global.css, util.css and markdown.css.Using that approach for this Astro Starter Template: https://starter.bryanhogan.com/I describe the setup in more detail here: https://webdev.bryanhogan.com/css/css-setup/
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  matthova
  Love the idea. It's really painful to cycle through every theme. Would be great to have a way to scroll through them directly, though... that would result in a bigger bundle, and I respect the hustle
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  zenoprax
  Some really unexpected domain redirects for this one for some reason: https://www.cssbed.com/vanillacssAll the others are as you'd expect.
• needfish
  I had a server-side app made for personal stuff, and pico.css drop-in is a pretty good baseline for an usable UI/page. Also visited some web hosts and their sites look perfectly serviceable with Bootstrap. I think it's a good way to railroad some of the more egregious things LLMs might do with regards to CSS.
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  nilslindemann
  For me it is definitely Pico.css. Honorable mentions: simple.css, tacit, w3c-chocolate.
• jrapdx3
  Interesting. Having made websites I think "of course that makes sense!". As a practical matter, getting wanted page appearance can require adding a few classes. I've been guilty of class proliferation caused by perfectionistic tweaking of things to the last nanogram. Anymore I strive not to go there.
• newsy-combi
  Aaaand the <pre> overflows horizontally on mobile. Tell me more about how you're a frontend dev and not a meat proxy for an AI slop machine.
• stymaar
  I didn't know what "classless CSS" meant so I clicked the link and I like this joke:> Classless frameworks are not just for communists. But I imagine communists would enjoy them even more.
• fabiofzero
  This is great! I've been going in a similar direction with HTML3000 - https://html3000.dev
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  mikae1
  Eye opener. I think I looked through almost all of them and none got basic typography right such as less margin bottom beneath a heading (to the paragraph following it) than above.Many had zero left/right margins on mobile.Overall terrible defaults.
• e12e
  [2019]But might be due a revival on the shoulders of LLMs.
• droidjj
  Am I the only one who prefers unstyled HTML?
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  ivanjermakov
  Correct terminology: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reset_style_sheet
• anon
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  boxed
  It's sad that most of these themes makes buttons not look like buttons.
• real_faxenoff
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• maxk42
  I love classless CSS for rapid hand prototyping. LLMs are making this increasingly less necessary, but it's still great for creating tiny, performant CSS pages and some of the smaller ones can even be inlined in fewer bytes than it takes to make a 2nd round trip to the server to check if the asset has been updated. This is one of my secret weapons for creating web apps that load and render so fast you can feel the difference!