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- microtonalAs others have said, this is not the most recent status update (it depends on future Google changes in QPR1 or QPR2).The much more interesting recent news IMO is that Google is not allowing (non-Samsung) OEMs to sell devices with GrapheneOS:https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49946698See the last paragraph.For example, non-Samsung Android OEMs aren't allowed to directly sell devices with GrapheneOS and Google will only permit it within a quota. It can and is being worked around and there will be devices sold with GrapheneOS as the stock OS without Google restricting how many can be sold.My guess is that the workaround is that Motorola sells them with Google-certified Android. A third-party (non-OEM) buys them in bulk and preinstalls GrapheneOS.But this is really end-90s/begin-00s Microsoft levels of anti-competitiveness. I'm surprised that (particularly non-US) regulators are not investigating them yet.
- aftbitThe Pixel 11 is the first Pixel phone to be released after the RAMpocolypse. It has made a lot of compromises in the name of lowering cost. I am definitely going to skip that generation. I tend to upgrade every 3 years, but there really isn't a big driver to do so right now. My Pixel 8 is holding up great. If I broke it and needed to buy a new phone today, I'd probably get a used Pixel 10 instead of a new 11.
- rickdeckardQuite a bad signal-to-noise ratio in this link.It's an emotional discussion about Google not supporting MTE on Pixel 11 (old news of August, GrapheneOS had to roll back that statement in September [0]).Now the question is whether MTE will be enabled by Google as part of a future OS-upgrade, to which there is no definite answer AFAIK[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49536384
- rgblambda>It appears Google cut an important security feature to save money.If you're doing comms for a serious project, it's probably best not to speculate on the justification of an internal decision at a different org, even if you're reasonably sure.
- podocarpNot surprised, since it wasn't used in Android to begin with they probably thought nobody will notice if it's removed. And indeed, for the vast majority of people nobody will notice.
- pbhjpbhjSo Arm built in MTE but Google have decided to prevent access to it at the firmware level?Have they introduced some other mitigations, for eg UAF, to improve memory safety?It seems possible that nixing MTE is to prevent stomping on some TLAs exploits?
- mistyvalesGuess I should order the 10 to replace the 9a I dropped down the stairs.
- Retr0idIt's hard to tell, is this a new announcement?
- rkozik1989Serious question about phone security: do phone application operating systems do anything to protect against the device's real-time OS from being able to access RAM/Disk that's being used by the application OS? Because if that cannot be controlled security at the application OS level is meaningless.
- jordandGrapheneOS last said they should be able to support Pixel 11 along with the Motorola phones
- ljhkkjlRelying on Google hardware seems like a very bad idea. GrapheneOS would have much more adoption if they weren't so Google-obsessed.
- PxtlMy pixel 7 is starting to get long in the tooth, I know I'll run it into the ground but I'm starting to wonder where I'll go for the next one now that Google is increasingly locking down their platform.
- atlgatorWhy does the announcement focus so much on Apple when they exclusively support Android?
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- mrbn100fulYes please buy the low volume phone from a 5% market share manufacturer.Someone high up got tired to pull over every pixel user at the border.With the new Motorola, TSA line are going to move faster that ever!If you care about privacy, stay away for the moto release and stick with pixel.