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  paxy
  Why do they keep stressing the "games you already bought!!!" part? There is no charge to play the game on your own hardware. This pricing is for renting the GPUs, same as GeForce Now and plenty of other services. And it's a pretty solid deal for people who don't want to build a multi-thousand dollar rig for gaming 10-20 hours a week.
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  ilikeitdark13
  To be honest, this actually seems a bit understandable Unlike many things in gaming these days.
• SOLAR_FIELDS
  2018-wake up feeling sick after a late night of playing video games-excited to play some halo 2k19-"xbox on"-...-"XBOX ON"-"Please verify that you are "annon332" by saying "Doritos™ Dew™ it right!"-"Doritos™ Dew™ it right"-"ERROR! Please drink a verification can"-reach into my Doritos™ Mountain Dew™ Halo 2k19™ War Chest-only a few cans left, needed to verify 14 times last night-still feeling sick from the 14-force it down and grumble out "mmmm that really hit the spot"-xbox does nothing-i attempt to smile-"Connecting to verification server"-...-"Verification complete!"-finally-boot up halo 2k19-finding multiplayer match...-"ERROR! User attempting to steal online gameplay!"-my mother just walked in the room-"Adding another user to your pass, this will be charged to your credit card. Do you accept?"-"NO!"-"Console entering lock state!" Nueva Yo -"to unlock drink verification can"-last can-"WARNING, OUT OF VERIFICATION CANS, an order has been shipped and charged to your credit card"-drink half the can, oh god im going to be sick-pour the last half out the window-"PIRACY DETECTED! PLEASE COMPLETE THIS ADVERTISEMENT TO CONTINUE"-the mountain dew ad plays-i have to dance for it-feeling so sick-makes me sing along-dancing and singing-"mountain dew is for me and you"-throw up on my self-throw up on my tv and entertainment system-router shorts-"ERROR NO CONNECTION! XBOX SHUTTING OFF"-"PLEASE DRINK VERIFICATION CAN TO CONTINUE"
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  ChrisRR
  Sounds fair. If you essentially already have a TV or other device as a thin client, I can see many people happily paying $12 for 50 hours compared to spending $1000 on the entire console
• Terretta
  While visiting not(USA) recently, found Xbox Cloud streaming no longer viable (lag fest) though last year travels (even over 5g hotspot) it was fine. Doesn't bode well for this streaming concept.Looked for a real console and discovered all small shops and big box chains offer Nintendo and PS, none have Xbox. Speaking with managers revealed they or their suppliers "lost" or "ended" contracts to carry it.Secondary market / used was dirt cheap – good condition consoles for less than a new controller: €35 for Xbox One S, €85 for Xbox Series S.Smelled like a death spiral well underway.
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  motbus3
  Different from others, I don't think the price is fair. But also I don't know the cost structure well enough, I can have only an educated guess.But what I am definitely afraid of is that they will want to charge games per hour anyway. The talks that consoles will cost 2000 USD is part of it. They don't want you to own things anymore.You can't buy a house anymore, because they rather buy and keep it to create shortages and make you pay an absurd rent.We should be talking more about how taxes should fit into this world where they are positioning themselves to not allow people to have things, not even the basic.For examples, in the housing thing, it should not only have higher taxes for keeping properties empty but also it should be exponential otherwise it will become a cost to people. Making it exponential make it unviable. Also, investment funds should be much more regulated and should require approval for every transaction above a threshold (which imo should be small to close loopholes). This will slow things down enough.The demand will still exist but companies will fill the gap. We should not be relying on one single investment fund to control your health, housing and employment.We also should be discussing on closing all the gaps that ultra rich are using to not contribute back to the system they explore. They became leeches/parasites and not putting back the amount they should is causing them to be able to break the system more and more.The only Pacific way right now is to boy;cott these big fellas. They got to comfortable saying that we are trash and the blame of everything is on us while doing everything they can to not even pay basic rights to employees.I also think that if you know a trillionaire employee with a white collar, they also should get bit more pressure.I know someone working in a company which recently caused hundreds of "collateral" deaths, and for him and everyone in the company, it is not their fault they exploded innocent people. We need to put these folks back to reality, because they are the same type of trash as we are, and they don't know it.Now I guess it is obvious why they have been building so many bunkers lately. They were definitely conspiring.(Btw, I have a strong feeling that sxai+t might become an investment fund with several companies, but that's another conversation)
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  trey-jones
  I have a server running in my basement with 2 nvidia Tesla GPUs that I bought for ~$70 each on ebay. (Unfortunately the RAM cost an arm and a leg). I built it for inference, but I also set it up to run sunshine server and now I have my Steam library on the TV through a Raspberry Pi 3. Even better, it was a fun and interesting project, maybe not as straightforward as you think. Unfortunately it's entirely possible that it costs .24/hr just for the electricity.Now, this feels fine with <10ms input latency over wifi. Even in 2026 I'm skeptical about sending my input to Atlanta and back.
• conductr
  Want to sell mine, haven’t played it in over 2 years. Wish they’d send me the offer .
• odo1242
  Doesn't seem like much of a good deal relative to competitor services, especially GeForce now at 10 cents per hour
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  bananzamba
  The logical conclusion of piracy and AI reverse engineering is that mire and more games will become streaming exclusives
• shmerl
  I prefer GOG. You buy it, it's yours.
• anon
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  ChildOfChaos
  I still miss Stadia.It's crazy that after all this time, there still isn't anything that is better than it.
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  mrweasel
  That just seems like such a strange offering. The number of supported devices is fairly low[0], and you already need to have purchased the game (well hold a license to the game). Some of the supported devices are Xboxes and some are Smart TVs, in that setup it would make more sense to have the TV use your own Xbox (assuming that they are on the same LAN).The price seems a little high, as I expect them to be before tax and currency conversion, but mostly I struggle to see who this is for.https://support.xbox.com/en-US/help/games-apps/cloud-gaming/...
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  zurn
  How does this compare to Geforce Now cost, where AIUI you also play games you bought?
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  neuwirth
  I don't think this is inherently unreasonable, keeping in mind that gaming cafes are (perhaps quickly becoming a were) a thing, and in those you were usually provided some set of games that the center owned or licensed, but also allowed to log in via something like Steam and play your own games. Xbox / Consoles in general were already a walled garden compared to, say, GOG, and heading towards this streaming model being the default is only a step further in the obvious direction.
• giancarlostoro
  Ah, so their game streaming platform is taking away from their AI inference business?
• double0jimb0
  How about someone capitalize on the billions of gigs of video card hardware available in these data centers to render and stream games of unfathomable amount realism?
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  schnitzelstoat
  I'd rather pay 40 cents per hour than have to pay really inflated prices for the games like Stadia had.Ultimately, you end up paying for the usage somehow.
• krystalgamer
  wonder if they can bring the cost down. with all the streaming needed it may be possible to cut down on all the fancy graphical effects.
• gxs
  For all the apologists and people saying it’s not a big deal:The problem is that this is the entry point to do more nefarious things laterCompanies love to boil the frog - introduce something and later jack up the price or take something else away or something like thatI at least am always weary of new stuff like this
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  bjord
  frankly, if I'm playing a game I own on a remote server, I expect to pay something for thatand I don't actually think that's substantially different from other competitors, like geforce nowwhether I will choose to play it on a different server in the first place is a different question (I won't)
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  m4rtink
  The Xbox reboot seems to be going well - but looks more like Xbox shutdown from the outside.
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  kotaKat
  It's either that or a rumored $1200-$1800 for the next Xbox: https://www.techspot.com/news/114275-next-xbox-could-arrive-...The divide between those that can own their own consoles and those that are forced to feed the cloud quarter-by-quarter like an old-timey arcade is widening, and this sucks.
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• ocd
  Eventually, US intellectual property law will have the legitimacy of deeds for property on the Moon.
• PcChip
  It’s not unreasonable since you’re using their computeI mean I would never stream a game, but still
• rvz
  > In September, when Microsoft severely limited the game-streaming buffet available to Game Pass subscribers, the company said non-subscribers would soon be able to “purchase cloud playtime hours through the Xbox Store and stream eligible games they own on supported devices.”Game pass always has been a scam [0] for years and now here we have the ghost of Stadia in Xbox services as streaming games make it into non subscribers.You will still own nothing, stream everything and be very happy when the game is simulated with a world model.[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33362792
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  bossyTeacher
  With Sony's scheming and this, the high-end console industry is killing itself.
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  muyuu
  i find the entire concept alien and i have zero interest in becoming a customer in such models, so i'm not into it and i might be misinterpreting things, but aren't those games you never "bought" in the first place?i mean, it sounds like it's a subscription plan and some extra session passes added on, not like you actually bought a game at any point, correct me if i'm wrong
• Tangurena2
  > Say what you will about the old arcade model, but you didn’t have to buy the cabinet and then pay a quarter per playI'm unhappy that the Kinect got removed from the Xbox and with this sort of nonsense, I won't be purchasing any sort of replacement from Microsoft.
• otikik
  Oh no!Anyway...
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• falcor84
  This is likely to go hand in hand with them now encouraging people to sell their Xbox - https://gizmodo.com/xbox-trade-in-program-2000828278