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  nadermx
  "The plaintiff (Sony Music Entertainment GmbH) then used a VPN to access the blocked content from Germany in circumvention of the geoIP blocking. The court agreed with Sony in their assertions of noncompliance, and we were fined for contempt of court."Imagine doing everything possible to stop something. They then circumvent your protections with yet another service, and you get fined.I wish I could even suggest what someone could do against these trolls.This is like saying "we put a lock requested by court and where found guilty because plantif hacked us after"
• euio757
  Seems they're following Cisco similar move 2y ago of exiting the market> Canal+ has been busy getting web-blocking injunctions in France against sports piracy sites which stream sporting events for which it has the exclusive broadcast rights within the French market. It previously targeted DNS resolvers operated by Google, Cloudflare and Cisco.> All three unsuccessfully opposed the web-blocking orders. Google and Cloudflare, therefore, have been forced to instigate them. However, Cisco just pulled its OpenDNS service out of the French market entirely.(Per https://completemusicupdate.com/quad9-vows-to-fight-absurd-w..., https://completemusicupdate.com/opendns-pulls-plug-on-france...)
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  JokerDan
  DNS resolvers getting sued should stop resolving domains/properties of the companies suing them too when they are forced to take these kinds of actions/steps off the back of a legal decision like this.
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  babarock
  Punishing the DNS resolver is weird. Would you punish the phone book company for having the number of a criminal listed?
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  0x0000000
  Maybe i missed it in the post, but how are they going to implement it? They mentioned geoIP is insufficient for complying with the block, so if they dont have a way to block only these domains for users in France, how will they block all requests for users in France?To be clear I dont think they should comply with the block, but i didn't grasp how they're going to block everything if they dont have a way to only block some things.
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  artooro
  Quad9 is getting picked on because they do not have a large financial backing. Not because it makes any logical sense. France is shooting themselves in the foot.
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  DemiGuru
  I mentioned not too long ago that Mullvad was handing its resolver users over to Quad9. Sadly, I didn’t realize how accurate my concerns would be. Quad9 is a good operator, they actually fought Sony in a German court instead of quietly complying. Yet, they were still ordered to block the content. That’s the core problem. A blocking order is only as damaging as the resolver it impacts. Every time an operator shuts down and redirects its users to Quad9, it pools more users into one place. This makes the next blocking order even more valuable and effective for whoever files it. And now we're seeing Quad9 backing out of a market.
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  this_user
  Whenever people talk about why you should host in the EU, this is just the most recent example for why should shouldn't.
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  _imnothere
  Time to boycott Sony, they deserve no money from anyone, and I meant anyone.They're just f*ing with people without getting anyone good stuff.Suppose they're doing this for copyright, it's not like the pirates would be stopped by a mere DNS block rule set anyway.
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  Helmut10001
  > The French courts have fundamentally misunderstood the working of the internet and the role of the domain name systemI think thus is the real problem. And you can easily replace France with Germany or US here.
• corvad
  Reminds me of Cloudflare going down every time there was a football game in Spain as the ISPs blocked all the "bad" ips, which ironically also served government websites.
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  Bender
  I am curious if a large number of people stood up their own DoH/DoT servers:- Would France go after each one, even if they were not operating servers physically in France? It only takes a few minutes to configure Unbound+LetsEncrypt to accept DoH+DoT internet traffic. A few minutes longer to compile support for DoQ.- Could they realistically expect individual operators of small DoH/DoT/DoQ open servers to block domains at their behest?
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  nish__
  How have our democracies not abolished copyright law yet? These laws only serve the 1%. I have no idea why we still put up with them.
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  declan_roberts
  Europe needs to strengthen its free speech protections. It turns out, even though the US founders had no idea what DNS was, they still created the right framework to protect it.
• modeless
  Seems unlikely to resolve their legal issues, as the French lawyers will use the same tactic as the German ones, using a VPN to access the services from France to justify continuing their lawsuits. Perhaps they should consider relocating out of Europe.
• trentor
  Crazy. A company that actually exits the market they threatened to leave. Meta and Twitter should take note.
• whh
  > The plaintiff (Sony Music Entertainment GmbH) then used a VPN to access the blocked content from Germany in circumvention of the geoIP blocking. The court agreed with Sony in their assertions of noncompliance, and we were fined for contempt of court.I knew courts were dumb, but didn't think they were this dumb."The neighbour's dog bit me, so they put up a fence. I climbed over it and got bitten again. The fence doesn't count."
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  jeroenhd
  Sports broadcasters truly are the bane of society. May they get DDoS'd during important matches until they're bankrupt.
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  gumby
  Why does it matter that it’s a recursive resolver? They mention this a lot but it seems like the decision would just as much apply to a non-recursive resolver.I didn’t attempt find the ruling; perhaps the lawsuit was written in an odd way.
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  Felger
  "There are more important reasons geoIP blocking will not work."Okay, now waiting to see how they will technically block those french users from the 24th nov onward...
• 49369201837
  Better cut all ties to that failed state as quickly as possible.
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  Jepacor
  Welp, I've been using quad9 and I'm French, does anyone have an alternative I can switch to?
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  egorfine
  Why stopping serving french IPs though? Remove your legal presence in France, sure. But block IP ranges from reaching your servers.. just why?
• Scaled
  I'm disappointed in how many pro-piracy comments are in this thread. Free speech does not mean you have the right to steal someone else's labor unencumbered. When actual free speech is blocked, then I'll be among the people rallying -- but blocking a piracy site is blocking cybercrime not legal free speech.
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• 9cb14c1ec0
  Sometimes I wonder if the days of a global internet are drawing to a close.
• gaiagraphia
  I wonder what pressure Qatar put on France to force this through?BeIn is owned by the Qatari state, who just so happen to own Paris St Germain.Their owners Yousef Al-Obaidly and Nasser Al-Khelaifi (for both the network and the club) are outspoken about piracy and 'the damage it causes football and creative industries'.They've also been in and out of court a fair bit on corruption charges, and seems they've paid their way out of trouble through fines. Seems just last month a new case opened:https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20260920-psg-president...Nation state meddling, dodgy characters, corruption and greed is more of a threat to football than a DNS resolver, tbh.
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  martinjc
  Sony being sleazy again. You start to wonder why they pick on the wrong people.
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  rafram
  They are in a difficult position because the entire point of their DNS resolver is that it blocks malicious sites (malware, phishing, etc.). Very easy for Sony to say, why can't they add piracy to the list? They "refuse to alter or lie to you" in their DNS responses - how would a malware block be lying if those other blocks are not?
• LoganDark
  Love to see some Lavabit action in response to government overreach. (Not that it's fun to see a provider have to shut down operations in an area, but more that I prefer to see them sticking to their principles rather than showing the government that this behavior is tolerated.)
• greatgib
  Sadly no-one responsible from this situation will care.French authorities and network operator will in fact prefer that you don't have alternative than using the dns servers that they are providing.So it sucks that Quad9 is closing their resolver to french IPs. If they stand by their values, they should continue to accept the requests, just leave all office and business ties with France.Similar to ofcom things against 4chan.
• jiveturkey
  how do they not see the self-inconsistency?they "cannot" blacklist the domains on geoIP basis, yet the "can" withdraw from France? via what method? Removing the French servers is clearly insufficient, so why can they deny France entirely via geoIP, but not block the domains just via geoIP?they do claim a value-based reason (good on them for it), but they are very very insistent about the "impossibility" anyway. can't have it both ways.
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  Onavo
  Another user commented on> €580,000 to €1,000 per day. But deleted his/her comment.To put this into perspective, €365K a year is roughly the fully loaded total comp cost of a high-senior to low staff level software engineer or a mid level ML engineer at a frontier lab in Cali.