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  utopiah
  Well "starting MSRP of $1,599." I'll stick to my 2nd hand Pixel 8 that I bought, for GrapheneOS long term support, for 1/10th of that price.No doubt it's a way WAY better device, really, but I don't see where I would actually need that. I happily toss the one I have around and don't even care if it gets stolen or lost one day, different preference.
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  y-c-o-m-b
  Odd to see Gemini promoted alongside GrapheneOS. One is effectively handing your life to the Google surveillance platform, the other encourages the opposite. What a strange partnership.EDIT: after reviewing other comments in this thread, I can see how my post here wasn't received well by some. It looks like some people are questioning the trust put into Graphene. I definitely am not. When I said "strange partnership" here, that's not what I meant at all. I think Graphene is operating in a very hostile ecosystem and the more doors Graphene can open for their platform to reach people, the better. The "strange" part of the equation was more aimed at Motorola (and Google) for allowing privacy intrusions to happen and even encouraging it in some ways (Gemini), yet actively supporting a project that would counter it. Maybe I should have used the word "funny" instead of "strange".
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  smithbob
  I don't know if I can trust a motorola phone with grapheneOS. Motorola is owned by a Chinese company that has recently been caught for injecting affiliate codes in users purchases. Yes, I know it won't be Motorola's OS but they do modify a large part of the BSP (bootloader, modem, etc.) with their "mot_sec" additions which you'll find if you reverse engineer any motorola firmware. It's unclear if qualcomm will give grapheneOS permission to rebuild or see the source code everything else. Modern phones run multiple operating systems like in the DSP, modem, trustzone, etc.
• lucb1e
  > Motorola continues to build on its commitment to security with ThinkShield®, which helps protect users from the factory to the phoneAnyone know what ThinkShield is? "from the factory to the phone" sounds, well, weird, but maybe they mean it's some sort of tamper proofing from where they flash the firmware until you get the phone? Is that new for GrapheneOS versions?> Motorola’s commitment to bringing cutting-edge security to everyday users across the globe. \n\n That commitment runs deeper than software: GrapheneOS sets demanding requirements for the hardware it runs on and how it’s kept updatedBesides providing timely security updates, which one would hope they do regardless of Graphene pushing them, isn't it Graphene doing all the actual software work? Since motorola refer to commitments "deeper than software", it sounds like motorola made some software commitments as well
• NoGravitas
  I hope the hardware support GrapheneOS needs filters down to Motorola's mid-range phones over the next couple of years. I really like the Moto G line, historically anyway.
• ipsum2
  Finally, a phone sold in the west that has a good camera. All of the previous cameras (type 1" sensor, LOFIC, etc) was weirdly only sold in China, despite using Sony sensors. Pixel, iPhone, and Samsung Galaxys all trail behind. Wish they put the 1" sensor instead of 1/2.8" though.
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  eckelhesten
  I wonder how good the camera will be on GrapheneOS compared to Motorolas stock OS.I love grapheneOS but let’s not pretend that Gcam isn’t superior to the stock grapheneOS camera in terms of photo and video quality in the current pixel phones.Would love to hear a response from the grapheneOS account on this subject. Would be awesome if we’d receive all the usual Motorola tweaks in the stock grapheneOS camera app.
• canucker2016
  Under availability, article says: Motorola signature 27 will be available in markets worldwide in the coming months, with a starting MSRP of $1,599. For local price information and availability, please contact your local PR team. but https://mobilesyrup.com/2026/11/05/motorola-signature-27-rev... says: ... and while we expected a Canadian release soon, Motorola is now saying that the device will be exclusive to the U.S. with no availability in Canada at this time. So are they saying the same thing (US only at start, slow rollout to other countries later) or is it US only?
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  ada-h00k
  The price seems way too high to me. I hope Motorola will release budget smartphones in the future, similar to the A models in the Pixel series. It would be cool to have a smartphone running GrapheneOS that you could also recommend to regular folks and older people.
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  UnreachableCode
  I just want a key-pad, dumb style phone with GrapheneOS. Part of the switch to GrapheneOS on Pixel 8 made me realise part of Google's evil (among the other tech companies) is how much they've crafted the most addictive device imaginable.I've cut out social media and a browser. The only thing left that I want now is a smaller, less distracting form factor
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  collabs
  I am curious what if any progress has been made with free and open source software and computational photography. I don't have any expertise on this matter. I just remember about five or six years ago the meta was that free and open source apps such as open camera pretty much suck balls when it comes to any advanced photography that allowed the user to click and forget when the likes of the proprietary Google Camera app was where the "magic" happened.
• passive
  I have a Pixel 10 that I'm looking to install GrapheneOS on, but even at $1599 I'm still intrigued by this. It seems they are trying to build a real long term device with few downsides, which is a big contrast to a lot of Motorola's recent phones.
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  cromka
  I know it's a matter of taste but omg is this phone not good looking... and that's particularly odd, because pretty much all their other phones are quite OK.
• laweijfmvo
  > The world’s best camera system launched in 2026[25] 1. dxomark is flawed in terms of overall camera rating 2. there is no footnote 25 on the page
• caust1c
  > The device is Motorola’s first with a performant implementation of ARM Memory Tagging Extension, a new hardware caching mechanism for helping ensure system integrity and privacyHeck yeah, I'll buy one. Seems like a great phone to hack on. Shame it's so cost prohibitive for most people right now though.
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  sam_lowry_
  Moto Edge series would have been an instant hit with Graphene OS.
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  Rooster61
  The fact that the hardware vendor blobs are outside the control of GrapheneOS makes me wary of getting a Motorola phone, due to:A) China's intelligence laws greatly suggest those blobs are going to have backdoors, particularly for the modemB) Even if they weren't using backdoors, there's nothing stopping the US from unilaterally banning all Chinese made devices (something I definitely don't put past them since the TPLink incident)It's already not guaranteed that the US govt won't outright ban the use of GrapheneOS, so adding the extra risk of Chinese manufactured phones getting the kibosh stateside makes me not want to risk $1600 on a phone.
• Glyptodon
  Smartphone prices have gotten out of this world. Seems like a nice device though.
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  mlu
  I got this year's signature and am pretty much pleased with it. I'd like to have GrapheneOS for it, too. But I guess, hardware (or marketing) is incompatible.
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  Itoldmyselfso
  It's unfortunate that the Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 6 series seems to have been completely botched by Qualcomm: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gjUzH4UcSkwThe curved display edges seem like a weird choice also, nobody seems to prefer those. Hoping to see better options with GOS support next year.
• hd4
  it's great that this is helping mainstream GrapheneOS but other than that, there's not a lot here unfortunately, especially for that exorbitant price. much cheaper to just buy the latest flagship Pixel.
• nsvd2
  Great to see more widespread support for graphine. I wish my current phone was old enough to justify an upgrade, maybe I'll pick one up next year.
• ysnp
  Can Motorola confirm the bootloader unlock process and related warranty agreement for the Signature 27?
• bahmboo
  It has an event camera. Impressive. This type of sensor only reports changes of a pixel not a full frame. It's cutting edge stuff in computer vision.
• kevincox
  I wonder how much GrapheneOS support will help other Android "distros" like LineageOS. In theory since GrapheneOS is open source it should be quite easy to port the low-level stuff including security updates for the full supported lifecycle (at least as much as the security patches affect both Graphene and other ROMs).
• vollbrecht
  $1,599 MSRP
• hypfer
  I hesitate to pay that amount of money for a Laptop. Why would I pay that amount of money for a phone which lives a much more dangerous life and only needs to render a messenger UI + take photos?I suppose the target audience here is "tech enthusiast whales"? I kinda doubt they truly need the protections GrapheneOS provides, though.Or rather, whatever data those protect is probably thrown out of the window anyway for other and likely not very smart reasons.
• koterpillar
  Why are footnotes, non-clickable ones at that, still a thing in 2026¹?¹AD
• kartoshechka
  I know it's supposed to compete with iPhone pro max ultra but man, it's literally a brick dimension and weight wise, does anybody really able, not even enjoy, using a phone like that with one hand?
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  mapierce2
  > The first Motorola device to support GrapheneOS, an privacy and security-focused mobile operating system.… "an privacy" …A confidence-inspiring typo, unless there is a novel way of pronouncing "privacy" that I'm unaware of.
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  dazhbog
  Did they just say agentic AI? Does that mean they will load crap on top of Graphene?
• jon128
  Been using GrapheneOS on a Pixel 10 Pro Fold, has been great.
• Forgeties79
  > The first Motorola device to support GrapheneOS, an privacy and security-focused mobile operating system.Proofread your stuff, folks. Right there in big print for all to see.
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  warrantisall
  With that unaffordable that price I'll stick with Pixels or switch to iPhones completely.
• tasubotadas
  Is NPU opened up?
• Freak_NL
  Reading this makes me realise my Pixel 6 has reached end-of-life in terms of support. I guess that means shopping around for a new smartphone…(I hate this. This Pixel 6 works fine. But the end is in sight nonetheless.)I'm glad GrapheneOS exists, so my next device will be this or another Pixel. At least the next one should last two years longer.
• Ritewut
  I like this phone but I want the Motorola Razr with GrapheneOS
• bens74
  Well, this looks like the only option for buying a realistic security-focused phone that's free from Google or Apple... It's expensive and ugly and Google-free GrapheneOS has caveats, but honestly I think I'm in.I've used Apple devices my whole life and am just getting so so tired of the constant squeeze! Recently I decided enough is enough and started replacing devices. So far Framework+Linux instead of Macbook and HTPC+Linux instead of Apple TV. I've agonized a lot about what to do with the phone (the one company I hate more than Apple is Google!) While GrapheneOS project looks nice, it only works on Google phones, is still Android based, the open source Android ecosystem does seem like it's getting progressively squeezed by Google, and certain things (Android Auto, tap to pay, certain apps) won't work without Google components. None of this makes me happy, but with a non-Google phone option it might just make sense.
• reaperducer
  1,500 words. One photograph. What a crap press release.Apple gets accused of being too flashy, but at least it shows you what you're expected to pay $1,500 for.There should at least be links to download images for publication.
• busymom0
  $1600 US dollars. Can't even imagine how much that'd be in Canadian dollars. Absolutely bonkers pricing for a Motorola.
• samteeeee
  why does this link not even have any pictures of the phone?
• gausswho
  Blech. Phones should be cattle not pets. Wake me when GOS partners with an OEM that isn't pricing for celebreties.
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  welljh
  GrapheneOS promotion is getting weirder and weirder. In the early summer the journalist Richard Medhurst had his running phone snatched by the authorities who allegedly could not get the data due to the GrapheneOS reboot feature.Medhurst went on Twitter to heavily promote GrapheneOS and was going to write a book about phone security for journalists.Since August 24 he has disappeared completely. So maybe give us an update here on what really happened or call it DisappearOS in one interpretation or HoneypotOS in the other interpretation. Something is very wrong here.
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  Groxx
  >The device is Motorola’s first with a performant implementation of ARM Memory Tagging Extension, a new hardware caching mechanism for helping ensure system integrity and privacy.... I don't think I've ever heard MTE described as a caching system.Also holy shit, $1600? That's gonna be a hard no, sorry. No phone is worth that much, and I really don't want one even bigger than the too-big one I have now. Though I'll happily wait for a different model.
• ndom91
  $1,599 feels priceeyyyy
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  jauntywundrkind
  I'm very happy for graphene and motorola, and hoping this comes to less premium lines!One of the most exciting things is that GrapheneOS folks insist the bootloader not be locked. I continue to think actual Linux on the phone is kind of just waiting for us, that it'd be imminently possible. If we had some modern-ish devices with unlocked bootloaders. Especially if they are Qualcomm chipsets, which have been seeing a lot more linux upstreaming/mainlining support than any other ARM platform. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49361686
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  Onavo
  Allegedly the Qualcomm Snapdragon 8 (Oryon acquisition) Gen 6 SoC costs them $300 per device..
• bigstrat2003
  $1600? They must be out of their minds. There's no way on God's green earth that I will ever spend $1000 or more on a phone. Even $500 is pushing it considering how little phones are good for.
• steelframe
  Wake me when Framework ships a phone.
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  anonym29
  Love it and totally support it. The only alternative is Google's Pixels, which are getting increasingly ugly from a vendor trustworthiness perspective for a number of reasons, including but not limited to:• Google stopped publishing Pixel device trees and driver binaries with the Android 16 AOSP release (June 2025); the Pixel 10 was the first device shipped under that regime.• In August 2026, Google moved to gate Pixel kernel source behind a manual Google Form / Google Drive handout with squashed commit history.• Google shipped the Pixel 11 with firmware that force-disables MTE (arm64.nomte); QPR2 Beta 4 restored firmware-side MTE but the OS still has it disabled, and whether Google ever deliberately cut it rests on leaked documents.• Google has been shipping QPRs to AOSP late.• Google has began enforcement of strict identity verification for Play Store publishing, and add additional friction to the process for users to install APKs from outside of the Play Store.On the value side, tensor chips have never been particularly performant, Pixel hardware has always been middling at best, and accordingly, Pixels were never a great value to begin with, they were midrange phones priced like they were flagship phones.If anything, I think the only real downside here is that this offers "just enough" of an escape hatch from the most detestable properties of Google's increasingly user-hostile Android ecosystem to stymie what might otherwise be enough frustration from privacy-minded power users to start adding momentum to the non-Android linux smartphone ecosystem/movement.
• rarisma
  phone looks like a fucking alien but glad its not just pixels now.
• temptemptemp111
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  202508042147
  > The brightest display available in a smartphoneBut ... why? I have been running all my smartphones at close to minimum brightness and heard lots of people complaining that even at the lowest setting it's still too bright at night.