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What constant surveillance is doing to children and parents

What constant surveillance is doing to children and parents

FinnLobsien

Comments (178)

  • james_marks
    Once the kids realize their parents are tracking their location with the phone, the answer is easy: ditch the phone.So now they are out in the world, in potentially dangerous situations, without a way to call for help, lookup a map, get a ride, etc.We were always clear with our kids: We're not tracking you, we trust you, and you can call us for help without getting in trouble.You can tell them not to do stupid things all day, but life finds a way, and I want them fully equipped when it happens.
  • 28304283409234
    Kids now teens. We never had a tv. Only let them watch dvd on laptop. Never allowed them on tiktok. Never gave them surveillance watches (kiddyzoom). I also did not have whatsapp, or even carried my phone half of the time.They hated us for it. Other parents called us crazy. “They should learn how to handle social media!” And now their kids are unmanageable and ours thank us for shielding them.
  • trashb
    Privacy is dead and it started in the cradle.The thing is the parents normalizing this kind of intrusion of privacy think they are in the right while creating a very dangerous world. Even things like going through your kids rooms (yes even when they live at home) is a huge privacy violation.No wonder the "but think of the kids" argument is so effective, we all grew up being propagandized by or own parents and environment.
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  • asveikau
    Some of that baby phase and younger kid stuff in the article sounds pretty insane.My daughter is a teenager and I appreciate being able to look at her phone's location when I pick her up from a place. I don't tend to monitor her phone use, occasionally I will check it out but the "deal" I have with her makes sure she understands she is an individual and I respect her individuality. I have a few apps blocked.
  • hoherd
    There was a time when I liked having intricate data about things because it was interesting for me to learn about my own world. That rosy-eyed picture was polluted by surveillance capitalism, and it's gotten to the point where I'd often rather write things down on paper or in a markdown or yaml doc rather than use an tracker app, just because I know that my own hand-written data isn't one profile in a global data set used to squeeze value out of me.Also, after reading the free part of the article, I propose the word "pramopticon".
  • metanoia_
    I have two short essays on surveillance:Review 001: THE POWER OF THE POWERLESS https://www.metanoia-research.com/review-001-the-power-of-th...Essay 001: ON WHAT THE PANOPTICON CANNOT SEE https://www.metanoia-research.com/essay-001-on-what-the-pano...
  • RataNova
    Modern marketing just preys on parental guilt. If you don't buy a $300 sensor or track your kid's location every second, they subtly make you feel like an irresponsible parent.It's actually sad for kids. In childhood being able to stay out a bit longer, solve sudden problems without calling mom, or just sit alone taught you how to cope with the world. But if someone monitors a child all the way to their college dorm door, it's unclear how they're supposed to develop personal autonomy at all
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  • sega_sai
    I think the problem here is what are you supposed to do with very low probability really bad events. I.e. your kid being kidnapped or similar. The probability of this extremely low, but it is unimaginatively bad. Therefore any small thing you do that will reduce the chance of this happening may seem reasonable. It is not clear to me how to think about this rationally.
  • tavavex
    Childhood surveillance may become a very lucrative proving ground for new tech. The usual outrage about privacy doesn't apply here because of a combination of a very helicopter parenting-friendly society and a common understanding the even older children have zero latitude in making any choices for themselves and are owned by their parents and institutions, who can at any point choose to force them into any new schemes.I think the next direction these surveillance companies are going to head into is even more invasive aggregation and processing. Instead of just giving parents a basic rundown of what's happening now, have phones record every spoken word and then mine it for sentiment analysis to reveal hidden thoughts and opinions. Schools could deploy software onto all students that tracks everything they say to each other on school property, which then could be used to build social graphs, identify misbehavior, rank social cohesion and obedience to understand which groups are good and bad influences - with all this data immediately provided to teachers and parents so they can take action. Once this is normalized, it will come for us all, just a bit more covertly.
  • childofhedgehog
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  • hackersnooze1
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilling_effectIt is going to be weird when the next generation of teenagers doesn’t rebel or break any rules at all
  • abhikul0
  • doright
    Being accused of hurting children is a social death sentence. Parents don't want to be accused. Politicians don't want to be accused. Nobody ever does.So parents keep their children indoors for fear of being arrested from them crossing the street on their own. Politicians are unable to renege on "child safety" laws because the populace will believe they are harming children and vote them out.But these things work the way they do because of the social consequences embedded in our culture, caused by the perceived harm to children from inaction. People want to avoid accusations of being complicit in harming children by supporting politician X or failing to do Y, as that has legitimate societal consequences when taken far enough, so there little incentive to diverge from this narrative.
  • someothherguyy
    the article doesn't actually state what it is doing to children?
  • circlefavshape
    My cousin still tracks her 23-year-old daughter's location - I thought that was bananas, but in this article there's a 29-year-old who's being tracked by her mother. WTF???
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  • warrantisall
    But think of the children! Wait oh shi...
  • CommanderData
    Companies in this space have just become predatory and it's time to slap them with fines and regulations.
  • timoth3y
    My larger concern is that this constant surveillance is actually making children better prepared for the world they will have to live in as adults.I find the the constant surveillance of our online, and increasingly of our offline, lives infuriating and push back when I can.Twenty years from now perhaps it will all be accepted as perfectly normal, and I'll be an old man yelling at clouds.
  • kittikitti
    I find that violent and bad behavior is shifted to environments without surveillance with both children and parents. The verbal and physical abuse is not on camera and is amplified off camera. They know this, they just don't care.
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