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Tim Peters has died

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  • w-m
    $ python -c "import this" The Zen of Python, by Tim Peters Beautiful is better than ugly. Explicit is better than implicit. Simple is better than complex. Complex is better than complicated. Flat is better than nested. Sparse is better than dense. Readability counts. Special cases aren't special enough to break the rules. Although practicality beats purity. Errors should never pass silently. Unless explicitly silenced. In the face of ambiguity, refuse the temptation to guess. There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it. Although that way may not be obvious at first unless you're Dutch. Now is better than never. Although never is often better than *right* now. If the implementation is hard to explain, it's a bad idea. If the implementation is easy to explain, it may be a good idea. Namespaces are one honking great idea -- let's do more of those!
  • graemep
    He was also suspended for three months for code of conduct violations year before last: https://www.theregister.com/software/2024/08/09/core-python-... https://discuss.python.org/t/three-month-suspension-for-a-co...It seems odd to celebrate his contributions without the context of a serious clash with the Python community leadership as it is now. A good obituary is rounded.
  • leoc
    Among his various other works, it was Tim Peters along with Gary Robinson who turned pg's "A Plan for Spam" essay into the successful SpamBayes program: https://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6467 .(EDIT: Robert Woodhead apparently shares in the credit, too: https://www.ceas.cc/papers-2004/136.pdf https://ceas.cc/papers-2004.html . Apparently Rob Hooft was another implementor? I can't find a good source for that though.)
  • lumpa
    Once upon a time I used to read all python-dev posts and bugs.python.org issues, so I got to follow (and get a feeling of knowing) these people I admired working and discussing together. Tim was always a favorite.Another thing that made me feel close to him was his work on the Python Cookbook 2nd Edition, in which he (and other big names in the community) delightfully talks the reader through intricacies and insights of programming, "We read Knuth so you don't have to".Watching Tim do his thing was a pleasure. He'd go from long, deep technical dives (that he'd make as approachable as possible) into comic relief and human connection in the fractional wink of an eye.The brief interactions we had will always be cherished as high points in my Pythonista trajectory.One favorite of mine was this response: https://www.python.org/doc/humor/#id15. I also like https://www.python.org/doc/humor/#id19 very much.
  • ofek
    Tim was one of the people who contributed to my love of the Python language eventually expanding to its entire community.He was always so willing to foster discussion that nearly every interaction resulted in an improved understanding of some topic and a shared eagerness to try or learn more out something tangential that came up via digression. I never knew how many types of voting systems there were nor how extensively they are researched! He also reached out about a comment [0] I made a few years ago which made me feel less discouraged and more welcome.Tim's writing style was greatly appreciated by myself and many others. What he had to say was often lengthy, to address reader assumptions or some nuance, but was written with such a jovial tone that it was rarely dull or inaccessible.RIP Tim[0]: https://discuss.python.org/t/5778/24
  • linsomniac
    My last exchange with Tim was him saying that he wasn't feeling up to having visitors.You never know when an email is going to be the Last Email. Don't put off reconnecting with old friends.
  • linsomniac
    Gene Hackman's character in Heist says "I tried to imagine a a fella smarter than myself. Then I tried to think 'What would he do?'"For me, Tim Peters was that guy. I first met Tim in person at the first PyCon at GWU where I rode an elevator with him and Barry Warsaw. Let me tell you, it was a wild ride. He was a genuinely really nice, smart, kind guy.RIP my friend.
  • dennis_jeeves2
    Genuine question - why do you think many seminal figures in CS dying at a relatively young age?
  • dalke
    In the 1990s I was a novice developer, though I considered myself a hotshot because I was better than those around me in college and grad school.I was an active participant in the comp.lang.python Usenet channel in the late 1990s.I learned much from reading Tim Peters' posts. To many, including me, he was affectionately referred to as "Uncle Timmy."One of the things I learned was that I still had much to learn about the art of programming.Much of the little I know about numerical methods comes from reading his posts. It was fun to read his stories about Kendall Square Research and the (for me) old days of computing.I remember posting questions about things I didn't understand, which he figured out and explained. [1]I remember bringing up concepts I thought were specialized and esoteric, only to find that it was actually just my lack of experience. He gently corrected misapprehensions like mine. [2]He wrote a lot on comp.lang.python. If I recall correctly, at the 7th International Python Conference in Houston, November 1998, there was Festschrift in his honor. He would use <wink> in his messages, and often end with something like "let's-hear-it-for-lambda-in-curly-assignment-stmts-ly y'rs - tim" (that's from the posting where he outlines the Zen of Python). I wondered if they were collected by looking for messages containing an '-ly' only to have Andrew Kuchling remind me about the "From" header. <wink>Here is Guido van Rossum starting the thread on "In Memoriam: Tim Peters", at https://discuss.python.org/t/in-memoriam-tim-peters-1952-202... .Here's an interview of him at PyCon 2006, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wAOy88WxmY[1] In one case, I was parsing a file format where a field was usually three spaces, but was sometimes an integer. I couldn't figure out why one parser was so much faster than the other. The answer was that one tested for three spaces first, and if that failed tested for the int, while the other did the int test first.Yes, this is something a senior developer knows. I bring it up now to highlight how hotshot-me didn't have that experience, learned that experience, and learned it from someone who was kind about sharing his knowledge.[2] I was doing bioinformatics back then, and learned about dynamic programming as way to do sequence alignment. I didn't think others knew about the technique, and thought I was bringing esoteric new information to the discussion. Uncle Timmy had used dynamic programming techniques for speech-to-text software at Dragon Systems, and politely pointed out it was more widely known. He also implemented Python's 'difflib'.
  • lukasgelbmann
    Among other places, Tim also wrote a lot on StackOverflow. He’d answer all kinds of questions, both from novices and experts.[0][1]I like reading his answers. He always seemed to have something interesting to say, and his answers are kind, light-hearted, approachable and insightful.[0] https://stackoverflow.com/a/69859068[1] https://stackoverflow.com/a/19391867
  • rdtsc
    Tim's Blog https://tim-one.github.io/psf/"Question everything. Love everyone" (from his page)RIP "Uncle Timmy".
  • grep_it
    Tim's description of dicts always stuck with me by describing the hash table slot states as one of citizen, virgin, or turd[1]. <wink>1: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2000-March/048...
  • asalahli
    Yesterday, out of nowhere I remembered Zen of Python and looked it up to refresh my memory. Prior to that I hadn't known who the author was, so when I saw Tim Peter's name I had a moment of realization that it's the same person who invented Timsort and the same person who was banned from python forums a few years ago for opposing arguing agains bylaw changes.It feels surreal to learn about his death just the next day. RIP
  • Copenjin
    The Tim of Tim Sort, for those that want to identify him quickly.
  • __mharrison__
    Thanks, Tim. Your contributions have helped me feed me family over the years. RIP(I've taught the Zen of Python, doctests, timsort, and more during my career.)
  • leoc
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50450488 links to GvR's announcment on discuss.python.org .
  • themanmaran
    I have the Zen of python printed out on our office wall and everyone quotes it at least weekly. It started as a bit of a joke, but become a pretty big part of our culture. It's a great set of rules.
  • kgcgfva
    I learned how to be a person on the internet in large part by watching Tim back in the day. RIP.
  • kapilvt
    Tim (of Timsort) was a long time python contributor (aka 90s), and a foundation of its early community (>>> import this). Rip.
  • dyoo1979
    The world is a bit dimmer for your absence. We miss you.
  • bonoboTP
    Nice obituary, would have been cool if Guido had stood up for him when he was witch hunted by Python leadership...
  • patrec
    Ah, yes who more fitting to give a eulogy than Guido, who so bravely spoke up when the woke crazies tried to defenestrate (the unfailingly polite, kind and patient) Tim not even 2 years before his death.
  • bajard
    As a programmer who used Python, I'm in debt to him.
  • loeg
    I learned about Timsort and used it in a class as a student long ago. RIP.
  • allendoerfer
    I quoted im earlier today in a commit message at work. Not knowing him at all, this news is a bit of a shock.
  • iqbal1980
    May he rest in peace, I just learned about Timsort!
  • throwaway81523
    RIP. I didn't know him IRL, but I remember him fondly from the Python Usenet group and Python bug tracker discussions.
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  • QuantumAtom
    May his memory be a blessing
  • fghorow
    Very, very sad news. RIP Tim Peters.
  • throw-the-towel
    Black bar, anyone?
  • jujube3
    RIP.
  • fxm73
    As a greybeard (literally) of the industry, I've reached the age where the people who shaped my younger years, and much of the computing world around me, are slowly being piped to /dev/random.It's sad to hear, but reflecting on the impact Tim made brings some comfort. Most of us will never know how many people our work helped. Tim could at least see some of that, though even Python's reach can only tell part of the story.Reading the tributes (https://discuss.python.org/t/in-memoriam-tim-peters-1952-202...), what strikes me is how often people mention his patience and humour alongside his technical brilliance. There's something to aspire to there: doing good work, and taking the time to help others do theirs.The older I get, the more I appreciate what it takes to leave both kinds of legacy.Quiet lines of code Still guide the hands of strangers His kindness lives onRest well, Tim.
  • dalke
    I posted my thoughts in a parallel thread, at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50451689 .I focus on how I learned to be a better software developer from him, in both writing better code and supporting others.
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  • leoc
    A black bar is appropriate for this news.
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